The yank looted and burned my grandma’s city in western france
We’ve had double genocide theory, yes, but what about triple genocide?Are these nazis referring to how german settlers were expelled from eastern europe after ww2? Like buddy they stole people’s homes? What the fuck do you expect?
Thats like saying its theft to return something a murderous thief stole from its rightful owner because the thief was using it at the time.
Considering how the fascists do math about red ‘crimes’ they probably count the Volga Germans among these
It can’t, or the math doesn’t add up. They have to be counting “Sudeten Germans.”“Sudeten Germans” had lived in the area for centuries, although only under that name after the dissolution of Austria-Hungary (As prior to that they would have been Austrians, or German Austrians). But these people were not “German settlers”, that is frankly inaccurate
Now, Sudeten Germans are noteworthy for a lot of things, joining the nazi party at a higher rate than the rest of Germany, eagerly participating in the administration of the nazi puppet state that suppressed their former countrymen, and for initially including most of the Jewish population of the area (The Jewish population were swiftly excised from the definition of a “German” even though they were part of the culture and had identified under that term).What happened to the Germans there was fully ethnic cleansing, albeit a nicer one than half of them were going to expose their Slavic countrymen to.
I’m Czech and had Sudeten relatives that weren’t removed, the ones that voted for the Nazis had their whole family removed (my relatives voted for the “communists” as they didn’t approve of the escalation against their Czech relatives, a couple experienced racist violence due to marrying non Germans as well). Iirc only the household head could vote and they didn’t want to split families, so thats why so few were left.
I’m of partial Sudeten German heritage, and the events in the area were unfortunate and more nuanced than the different settler analogies that people on here like to present. Since most don’t really have a connection to that topic, its easy to be flippant.
Like my grandparent really only thought of Czechia as their home ever, even claiming that our family wasnt “truly german”. However by that point in time the “ethnic relations” between Germans & Czechs were so polarized, that it kinda was domed. And you dont really come back from trying to genocide your neighbours.
a lot more than just the sudeten germans. there was a german diaspora all over eastern europe, going back centuries. old german villages in hungary, romania, russia. poland of course, though there the germans were more of a colonizing force even in the past.
a lot of these german communities supported the nazis during the war (IIRC there were old german mennonite villages in the east who were supposed to be religiously pacifist but somehow found it OK to do a bit of holocaust.
some fled west during the closing months of the war. after the war, the warsaw pact countries shipped a lot of the remainder to germany (dont know the proportions of those that stayed vs those that got shipped off). the rest are still here, but a lot more assimilated.
a lot more than just the sudeten germans
Yes, but the Sudeten Germans are a group that were vociferously pro nazi, need to be included to get the numbers, and were absolutely ethnically cleansed.
a lot of these german communities supported the nazis during the war (IIRC there were old german mennonite villages in the east who were supposed to be religiously pacifist but somehow found it OK to do a bit of holocaust.
I think you’re mixing two things together. You might be thinking of the Russian civil war were these groups would engage in violence against Slavs in Ukraine despite their supposed religious objection to violence. This was part of the reason for Makhno’s black forces engaging in ethnic violence against these people. However German Mennonites were not ethnically cleansed from the Soviet union. Germans were internally deported in the soviet union during the war itself (Which wasn’t great for much the same reason that the Japanese internment camps were bad), and those who moved west did so at the behest of the nazis, and Germans essentially self deported from areas that would be occupied by the Soviet union itself in actions like Operation Hannibal. German Mennonites as far as I’m aware did not constitute a significant nazi population, but Sudeten Germans did to a grotesque degree. German Mennonites in the former soviet union (RIP
are also usually seen as a subgroup of Baltic Germans, a group that have their own weird relationship with population transfers, seeing as they were exposed to forced population transfers/ethnic cleansing by Nazi Germany.the warsaw pact countries shipped a lot of the remainder to germany
Yes that’s why I said you need to include groups like the Sudeten Germans to make the math work. roughly 8 million Germans were expelled from Poland and the rest, apart from the Sudeten Germans, are a rounding errors in comparison. Like adding up all the population transfers, prison sentences in the soviet union and all the rest you might get to 200000 Germans in Hungary who were expelled, the most anti soviet sources give estimates around 200000-300000 for Romania from what I can tell, and in Yugoslavia those who didn’t flee with the nazi army were subject to reprisals from locals (Duh) and chose to leave when they were offered German citizenship in like 1950 but even if we count every single German as having been ethnically cleansed from Yugoslavia we just don’t get the numbers.
Germans were internally deported in the soviet union during the war itself (Which wasn’t great for much the same reason that the Japanese internment camps were bad)
The Japanese internment camps were bad because the USA is a white supremacist settler-colonial shithole and interned the ethnic Japanese because they viewed them as racially inferior nonwhite collaborators of a racially inferior nonwhite enemy who are racially predisposed to betrayal based on their yellow skin color and the latest phrenological breakthroughs in skull shape of the time.
Whatever the USSR did to their germans can’t be compared to that racist white supremacist nonsense.
you don’t have to be hopped up on american race science to do a genocide or ethnic cleansing
Indeed, zionism is not strictly american race science and yet they are committing genocide and ethnic cleansing. However I doubt the USSR internally deported the germans because they were racist Russian supremacists. It’s a fundamentally incorrect comparison to make to a white supremacist ethnonationalist atrocity.
However I doubt the USSR internally deported the germans because they were racist Russian supremacists
They don’t need to be doing it for “Russian supremacy” for it to still “not be good” like you go off on american caliper based race science when the motivation for shuffling Germans around the USSR internally was the same as the motivation for japanese internment, that being that they “couldn’t be trusted” to not support their “homeland” against the USSR. It’s literally the same fucking thing.
But these people were not “German settlers”, that is frankly inaccurate
Never claimed they were, was referring more to the german settler colonists who invaded eastern europe and not the “sudeten germans”.
That is an interesting bit of history. Still don’t give a shit about what xitter nazis have to say about the topic of ethnic cleansing.
not everyone got resettled, either. anecdotally i know of a family where the dad said that if hitler’s german, then he isnt, and so the entire family marked themselves as ethnically hungarian on a pre-war census. said census was used to deport germans after the war, so his family got to stay.
his eager nazi collaborator neighbor was shipped off to germany and came back years later, rich, in a mercedes.
also, 1.9% of hungary still self-describes as some kind of german.
i know of a family where the dad said that if hitler’s german, then he isnt
shipped off to germany and came back years later, rich, in a mercedes.
also, 1.9% of hungary still self-describes as some kind of german.
Highly effective ethnic cleansing campaign I see. What a tragedy for ethnic germans in hungary.
Same in Poland, after 1989, reprivatisation got mentioned and suddenly a fuckton of “ethnic Germans” appeared.
Yeah that’s one of the issues with determining ethnicity, it’s often more about self-identification than pure genetic or cultural markers. A group or family can move into an area and retain their prior cultural identity, or they can just subsume themselves into the local culture, identify as such, and within a few generations are indistinguishable from the “native” population. Which makes me think that this 12 million number is coming from an extremely broad definition of “Germanic” that’s throwing in a lot of displaced persons that probably didn’t identify as German.
Never claimed they were, was referring more to the german settler colonists who invaded eastern europe
Okay but you don’t get anywhere near that number including just those. You have to include the Sudeten Germany, and the Germans in Western Poland both of which include the vast, vast majority of Germans expelled.
Well I never insisted that these groups should be excluded because my comment was a question about whether the slop history youtuber and the xitter nazis were referring to the german settlers or whether something else happened. *Still don’t give a shit about xitter nazi crocodile tears.
yeah “ethnically cleansed”. by other white people. so now being tried for your crimes is “ethnically cleansing” whites. makes sense from the “coming to the country we stole from the natives after we bombed your country to nothing is white genocide” crowd
Replies to that Tweet very quickly devolve into open anti-semitism and unironic pro-Nazism.
In the Netherlands we learned about the public shaming of “moffenmeiden” (an English translation would be “kraut girls”), Dutch women who entered relationships with German soldiers. A Dutch docu series gave a number of 140,000. The most common act of shaming was shaving them bald.
There were also calls to annex “German territory free of Germans”, but in the end only a few villages were annexed and it was all returned in 1963 save for one hill near Nijmegen.
“Tyskertøser/Feltmadrasser” (German girls/Field mattresses) was a similar phenomenon in Denmark. What is striking is that many of the actual collaborators got off. The heads of the police under German control suffered no repurcussions, Nils Svenningsen who ran the unelected fully nazi aligned government at the end of the war stayed in government until the 60s with a brief stint as ambassador to Sweden specifically to avoid having to face members of the public he would have repressed during his rule of Denmark, his Danish wikipedia pages explicitly notes that he was motivated by “Loyalty and a sense of duty […] regardless of the popular sentiment”, turning what should be a major indictment of a major collaborator into hagiography.
this also happened in France, including the head-shaving
All those fucking crackers in USA seems to be really afraid someone will make them go back to fucking England.
Ok, to be fair that’s a very reasonable fear.
arent like half the whites in the US from germany originally?
Yeah but i think deporting them to England too would be funnier.
funnier
the english would deport them to rwanda. the english would deport white people to rwanda and you’re laughing.
Rwanda has suffered enough without being flooded with yankees
It will be especially funny if a bunch of ethnically Fr*nch Americans get deported to England.
Fuck I wish someone would. Every time I go outside and feel the sun sting on my skin I curse my ancestors for leaving the sunless island we evolved to live on
I’m pro immigration but damn if that suggestion doesn’t rock my views :)
The term “ethnic cleansing” is totally inappropriate and clearly being used to push an awful agenda here, but — hot take alert — claiming German civilians as slaves as part of the reparations deal was not a good look
There is very valid criticism for the lack of any proper denazification being carried out.
Victims should be given reparations, not pass on carrying out personal vengeance, is one of the major lessons that seems to have not been taught properly. Tragedy stops being tragic the moment there’s a reward attached to suffering it.
In the wise words of Delsin Rowe:
“Eye for an eye, asshole.”
There’s no hate like Christian love.
They got German citizenship ffs. “Ethnic cleansing”.
When you expel 3 milion people from their centuries old homeland on the ground of their ethnic group that is ethnic cleansing. Like the sudeten germans did not cover themselves in glory for the short time the term was applicable to a group of people, but what happened to them was ethnic cleansing and we are doing ourselves no favors by pretending otherwise.
yeah, eastern europe made sure no future german leader could claim that they’re trying to conquer them to reunite/protect ethnic germans.
Imagine what would happened in 90’s without the post WW2 resettlements. Yugoslavia would look like a picnic in comparison, entire Eastern Europe would be like Ukraine now. Stalin continue to save millions even decades after his death.
Also obligatory fuck prussia, original western settler project.
Man, all that and the Germans still didn’t learn not to support states engaged in ethnic cleansing?
Yeah because if I’m not mistaken the germans who were “ethnically cleansed” in this case were simply being kicked out of the places that they ethnically cleansed themselves as part of lebensraum in eastern europe. As in they went eastward to invade other countries, kill the native inhabitants, and steal their land.
*edit: apparently there were also a bunch of germans who were living in the area pre ww2 called “sudeten germans” or something who were technically “ethnically cleansed”, main reason why germany supports zionism is that germany was never truly denazified
there were sudeten germans, volga germans, danube swabians, transylvanian saxons, a thousand little medieval leftovers dotted all over the eastern half of europe.
well, ok, danube swabians are from the 1700s, not the middle ages. they’d been brought in to repopulate lands left empty after 2 centuries of war with the ottomans. that’s settlering, but much earlier than the 20th century and IIRC they didnt kick anyone out to get their land.
hmm, the volga germans are also from the 1700s. anyway, some of these communities were super old.
Do you know anything about the history of (south-)eastern europe pre 1939?
It’s quite a complex and interesting history (with a lot of german anti-slavic racism)
Nope other than the fact that some people called “sudeten germans” were “ethnically cleansed” from hungary or something because the vast majority of them were Nazis.
with a lot of german anti-slavic racism
Yeah idk whether “ethnic cleansing” is even an appropriate term for what happened given the differences in circumstances between this incident and other actual genocides of white/jewish supremacist ethnic cleansing.
Around 600CE the slavic speaking world went all the way to the elbe river. So everything east of Hamburg today was slavic. There were also a lot of germanic anti-slavic crusades.
called “sudeten germans” were “ethnically cleansed” from hungary
Knowing nothing about anything i’m going to say they were in modern Czechoslovakia because that’s where the sudetenland is
Yeah that czechs out given what other users are saying itt
prussians in modern polish territory and baltics i believe. Now whether they were collaborators or just passive observers os another matter, on the second basis whole europe should have been cleansed.
Poles settled in prussia as well, hell they even invited the teutons in the first place.
@groKKK@hexbear.net did a white genocide happen in Germany after ww2?
I am not aware of this theory, but it seems very important if true. Indeed, it would recontextualise the current white genocide in South Africa as only one of multiple such tragedies—possibly as part of a single unified plan. Should this be found to be true, a large part of humanity shall be found to be in mortal danger due to the inevitability of more atrocities down the line, with the goal of destroying all white people. One has to wonder who could be at the inception of such a terrible, insipid, vile and inhuman master plan. In any case, I urge all readers to keep their eyes on South Africa, and to keep denouncing the crimes committed by the South African government.
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12·2 days agoWhat does Pokój mean?
Polish for room.
Stalin ❤️ Bierut, get a room XD
Well it can mean a room but in this context it’s “peace”.
That’s translators for ya.
Peace
