not everyone got resettled, either. anecdotally i know of a family where the dad said that if hitler’s german, then he isnt, and so the entire family marked themselves as ethnically hungarian on a pre-war census. said census was used to deport germans after the war, so his family got to stay.
his eager nazi collaborator neighbor was shipped off to germany and came back years later, rich, in a mercedes.
also, 1.9% of hungary still self-describes as some kind of german.
Yeah that’s one of the issues with determining ethnicity, it’s often more about self-identification than pure genetic or cultural markers. A group or family can move into an area and retain their prior cultural identity, or they can just subsume themselves into the local culture, identify as such, and within a few generations are indistinguishable from the “native” population. Which makes me think that this 12 million number is coming from an extremely broad definition of “Germanic” that’s throwing in a lot of displaced persons that probably didn’t identify as German.
Never claimed they were, was referring more to the german settler colonists who invaded eastern europe
Okay but you don’t get anywhere near that number including just those. You have to include the Sudeten Germany, and the Germans in Western Poland both of which include the vast, vast majority of Germans expelled.
Well I never insisted that these groups should be excluded because my comment was a question about whether the slop history youtuber and the xitter nazis were referring to the german settlers or whether something else happened. *Still don’t give a shit about xitter nazi crocodile tears.
Never claimed they were, was referring more to the german settler colonists who invaded eastern europe and not the “sudeten germans”.
That is an interesting bit of history. Still don’t give a shit about what xitter nazis have to say about the topic of ethnic cleansing.
not everyone got resettled, either. anecdotally i know of a family where the dad said that if hitler’s german, then he isnt, and so the entire family marked themselves as ethnically hungarian on a pre-war census. said census was used to deport germans after the war, so his family got to stay.
his eager nazi collaborator neighbor was shipped off to germany and came back years later, rich, in a mercedes.
also, 1.9% of hungary still self-describes as some kind of german.
Highly effective ethnic cleansing campaign I see. What a tragedy for ethnic germans in hungary.
Same in Poland, after 1989, reprivatisation got mentioned and suddenly a fuckton of “ethnic Germans” appeared.
Yeah that’s one of the issues with determining ethnicity, it’s often more about self-identification than pure genetic or cultural markers. A group or family can move into an area and retain their prior cultural identity, or they can just subsume themselves into the local culture, identify as such, and within a few generations are indistinguishable from the “native” population. Which makes me think that this 12 million number is coming from an extremely broad definition of “Germanic” that’s throwing in a lot of displaced persons that probably didn’t identify as German.
Okay but you don’t get anywhere near that number including just those. You have to include the Sudeten Germany, and the Germans in Western Poland both of which include the vast, vast majority of Germans expelled.
Well I never insisted that these groups should be excluded because my comment was a question about whether the slop history youtuber and the xitter nazis were referring to the german settlers or whether something else happened. *Still don’t give a shit about xitter nazi crocodile tears.