Really puts how pathetic that policy is in sharp relief now that the fascists are adopting the same policy. I think it’s just absurd given they’re committing a genocide.
I feel like it’s okay to add it back, I don’t even know what the exact struggle session was to begin with, but anyone who argues for that position now should be banned.
There wasn’t really a struggle session over it, just a “yeah let’s not give away easy ammunition to call us antisemites” in the immediate aftermath of Oct 7th. Nobody really thought it was antisemitism to burn the Israeli flag but that anything involving the star of david is incredibly easy propaganda for zionists to claim antisemitism regardless of the reality.
I would burn a Kkkristian flag with a cross on it in an instant and I don’t think any black person would look at that happening at a demonstration and assume “kkk”. The KKK cross burning was a very specific ritual involving construction of and burning of a physical cross standing by itself either in a yard or near people as a threat or at the center of their ritual gatherings. Backwards patriachal religions have no right to exist nor their symbols of the mythology and superstition any special right to protection when those symbols are at the front phalanxes of the hordes of hate and genocide.
This is just bad faith hasbara tier garbage. Like saying I want to knife Christian children because I’d burn or shoot up a Nazi belt with "god with us’ on it.
Fuck using religions as shields. Religious fascists don’t get it both ways, they don’t get to both use it, be recognized for it, receive protections for it being them and them being it and have the casual/passive support of a majority (last I checked) of the adherents of it in the west yet somehow not owners of it and somehow protected from feeling “unsafe” by incidentally destroying the symbol of their movement which they NOT I, not people against it, put on there (on the flag) as a deliberate shield to be used in just this way. And it’s shameful it works and you lean right into their troll-faced attempts at making anti-semitism hatred of pissrael.
Don’t want it burned? Make those zionist fuckers take it off their fucking flag. Not our fucking job. Not our choice. Don’t blame us.
Acting like (incidentally) burning a symbol put on the flag NOT BY US but by them is the same as a mass murder camp?
Pathetic. Disgusting. Intellectually dishonest. You have no arguments so resort to emotionally extreme appeals detached from reality. YOU LOSE.
As Finkelstein once said I don’t care about your crocodile tears and I don’t care about your attempted emotional terrorism in defense of genocidal settler monsters who fully deserve being compared to Hitlerite Germany and their symbol (and this flag is their chosen symbol, the only other option I’m aware of as a stand-in for zionism being just the star by itself which I’d avoid for obvious reasons) treated as similar to the swastika with similar disdain and scorn and yes burnings and throwing in a pile of manure.
This is typical of zionists and their supporters (including liberal/apologist/secret supporters of which there are many who display the German model of self-flagellation and feeling guilt that blinds them to any critical thought on matters involving Jews/zionists) by the way who conflate everything with the Holocaust and are constantly pulling that out as a card to excuse their atrocities.
It’s time to take it away. What Germans and Poles did to European Jews 70 years ago doesn’t excuse the (genocidal) existence of pissrael nor does it provide some special magic exemption from examination and criticism and yes disdain and mockery and spitting on card nor some eternal shield they can use to bash others in the face. This “waaaagh I’m a victim, some Jews (same ones hated by zionists for not joining them) were victims, so we get to do what we want, any pushback or existence of things that are mean to us is a holocaust so ban mentions of Gaza or hurting our symbols” is infantile.
Like saying I want to knife Christian children because I’d burn or shoot up a Nazi belt with "god with us’ on it.
Bit fucking rich for a holocaust emoji supporter to pretend they’re being called a child killer just because we won’t let them doodle little auschwitz’s everywhere.
Holocaust trivialization is not okay (which is what you do saying things like that, the exact same canard that zionists pull out and accuse anyone against the existence of pissrael of being after).
(incidentally) burning a symbol put on the flag NOT BY US
Oh yeah, we were all burning stars of david and then they just happened to put it on their flag later. Fuck off, you understand exactly what context you’re doing it in. While you’re calling me emotional you obviously have an emotional attachement to specifically burning the star of david. No other reference to Israel will do, it HAS to be the one that directly evokes the holocaust.
You can compare Israel’s genocide to the holocaust without a “burn the jews” emoji. Literally nobody is stopping you from doing that. Just don’t project your trivilisation of the holocaust, your demand to evoke antisemitism - you can say it’s not your fault they put it on their flag all you want, but it is your fault you’re ignoring the context of the holocaust - onto me. Don’t project your intellectual dishonesty onto me - I’m not a zionist for understanding the context in which I criticise Israel, but you are an antisemite for demanding that you should be allowed to ignore that context.
Cross burning is absolutely a hate symbol used by the Ku Klux Klan. Burning a British flag? Who gives a shit. Burning a wooden cross where minorities can see it? Yeah, I’m reaching for the nearest weapon because I’m about to be fighting for my life.
This is literally anti-Semitic. It isn’t “Jewish exceptionalism” it’s just white supremacy. See how they treat all non-white Jews. You seriously need to log the fuck off for a bit.
:isreal-cool: is right up there with incels in terms of how often they trigger struggle sessions. There seems to be at least one 150+ comment thread about it every month or two.
I’m talking about the time of implementation. There was barely any disagreement that I recall, there was barely a blip about it, most people shrugged at the time or mildly agreed that not giving easy fuel was better. It was in the last few weeks that this suddenly started appearing in conversations here frequently.
There was absolutely a struggle session and users got banned when it went down. It’s just so long that a lot of people forget it happened. And the argument against having the emoji wasn’t just that it could be antisemtic, it was also that it made some users uncomfortable. It’s also how we got rid of the :saudicool: emoji when someone rightly pointed out what that Arabic text on the KSA flag is.
Oh I used similar examples as the Saudi flag assuming it wouldn’t be a problem here but glad to see there was some amount of self awareness there when that struggle sesh went down.
The Saudi flag wasn’t a problem. Some muslim users at the time basically said they didn’t care if there was an emoji burning a KSA or ISIS flag (yes, also why we don’t have :isiscool: lol) just because the shahada was on it. I’m also not sure I would call it self-awareness as much as ignorance and also trying to cover their own asses. They claimed ignorance about the shahada, but IIRC :turkeycool: was only removed much later, even though it was pointed out the crescent is also an Islamic symbol (which the people against having the genuine israel cool thought was “too far”).
There’s also all of the flags with Christian symbolism that are allowed, and then there is (the lotus flower is a sacred symbol/image in Hinduism).
Yes maybe self awareness wasn’t the right way to put it, more like following through on their own line of logic in a way that doesn’t make them look as hypocritical. If there was those emojis still and not the israel one it would look even more ridiculous
Using indigenous Hawaiian Israel Kamakawiwoʻole to represent the occupation is one of the grossest fucking things on this site and whoever signed off on that change should fucking apologize.
It’s been called out multiple times but still stands. It pisses me off a lot. It also changes the meaning of that emoji compared to all of the other “cool” emojis.
It’s been a thing for years since the early days of the site and even the subreddit. The joke is that he’s the good israel. Kind of like how subreddits used to post gifs of shakira every time the subject of sharia law came up.
Kind of like how subreddits used to post gifs of shakira every time the subject of sharia law came up.
no position in the struggle session, but I want to point out that equating cool Israel meme with Reddit athiest islamophobia doesn’t make the point you think it does
To be fair, what happened was the one jewish user who manages/makes all the emojis expressed discomfort with it and said “you can add it but I’m not comfortable making it myself”. And then struggle sessions ensued but nobody ever added it.
posting pics of the israeli flag burning or doing it with emojis was never banned, it just wasn’t specifically added to the library, IMO out of a lack of consensus. Which may still have been the wrong call but its not the same as this US policy.
banned over the struggle session, behavior in it, and other longstanding issues, not for posting a burning israeli flag. Unless I missed something, which is possible
Banned in a struggle session about having the emoji. There’s a reason they were banned in this thread, by this admin and attacked as an anti-semite by this particular mod (Nakoichi) who has issued them death threats before
I’m not claiming they’re unrelated, just that they aren’t the same thing. The OP is about actual criminalization of actual flag burning, not punishment of harassment or other unrelated rule breaking ( that happens to be related to one’s position on flag burning). Nobody’s been stopping anybody from posting images like these over the past 2 years:
i love how people react this way literally every time there’s any friction between the mods and user base but I’m glad i got to see it to know i should block you
communist web zone tho, supposedly. one that ostensibly supports various factions that do burn that flag all the time. So we are at best sending mixed messages here, undermining support for groups like Ansarallah and Hezbollah by enacting the same policies as the fascist zionist government for some reason. What type of message does this send to those on this webzone not from the burgerreich?
there’s arab users here including myself that feel extremely othered by this white pearl clutching. many palestinians came here thinking this was an english speaking pro-resistance site, and here we have this quibbling zionist shit still. We can’t escape it.
I am not condemning people irl actually burning the actual flag in protest. We also have the emoji. You have had a long standing beef with the mods here I get it. But that seems much more to do with your toxic contrarianism than any actual principled stance. Now you are accusing me of “white pearl clutching” and frankly go fuck yourself I am done with you. There’s a reason you have been banned like 5 times before. IDK why they tolerate your repeated ban evasion.
The consequences for violation are on a hilariously different scale. Here you might get a deleted by mod where if the government’s mods say you can’t it’s actually illegal, so there’s a big difference there. You can also reach the same policy for different reasons, im kinda ambivalent on the hexbear policy and with a flag like that no matter what move you make here plays into Israel’s hand, that’s why they made the flag be that way. I also dont think it’s all thst detrimental towards our support Ansrallah or Hezbollah in their current struggle cause they aren’t reading any of this and if they did they probably wouldnt like us, they arent leftist groups, they have our support cause they’re trying to stop a genocide. Its not like we see eye to eye with these guys in pretty much any other regard, they’re just what we have rn. Its pragmatic support. Which means you dont need to go full in. I would hope those not from the burgerreich would get this cause neither of those groups represent them and therefore we dont need to mirror their behavior. Im mostly against it cause it’ll just invite really annoying federated reply guys every time it’s used
That simply isn’t true. Just because they oppose Israel and do things about it doesnt make them leftist by any measure. You are being absolutely absurd here.
I do notice it always seems to be the most contrarian and “fuck you, I do what I want” sort of posters here who loudly demand a burning Israel flag the most. Like, it isn’t hard to express hate for Israel here, so I don’t know why they act like this is some big “censorship” thing or whatever, they accuse people of behaving like liberals, while behaving like liberals themselves, acting like the meaning of words isn’t important, just empty symbols and shibboleths.
It’s largely one user who has a fuckton of alts. The reason it seems like a lot of extremely edgy contrarian posters are demanding this is because it’s actually one extremely edgy contrarian poster demanding this while pretending to be many people.
That’s not to say there’s not a variety of people who have thoughts on this, but it’s pretty disingenuous of Zposter to constantly act as though they’re a bunch of different people and somehow representative of all arab users on the site.
Im sure it’s hard to remember but was that claim substantiated at all? Im doubting it and it would be hard to recall, but if so I’d like to hear what that argument would be.
idk someone else reminded me of it but I think it was something to do with China doing business with the US and Israel or something to that effect. It was nonsense.
the user was banned for their argument, so the consequences are worse than you stated. You are harassed, given death threats, lied about, smeared and banned.
Can we even make fun of this when Hexbear has the same policy in regards to flag-burning emojis?
Really puts how pathetic that policy is in sharp relief now that the fascists are adopting the same policy. I think it’s just absurd given they’re committing a genocide.
I feel like it’s okay to add it back, I don’t even know what the exact struggle session was to begin with, but anyone who argues for that position now should be banned.
There wasn’t really a struggle session over it, just a “yeah let’s not give away easy ammunition to call us antisemites” in the immediate aftermath of Oct 7th. Nobody really thought it was antisemitism to burn the Israeli flag but that anything involving the star of david is incredibly easy propaganda for zionists to claim antisemitism regardless of the reality.
The star of david and the swastika are both religious symbols.
To enforce this rule means that they should also enforce a rule against burning the nazi flag.
Otherwise it’s just jewish exceptionalism.
So is a cross but you probably wouldnt burn one cause of the implications
I would burn a Kkkristian flag with a cross on it in an instant and I don’t think any black person would look at that happening at a demonstration and assume “kkk”. The KKK cross burning was a very specific ritual involving construction of and burning of a physical cross standing by itself either in a yard or near people as a threat or at the center of their ritual gatherings. Backwards patriachal religions have no right to exist nor their symbols of the mythology and superstition any special right to protection when those symbols are at the front phalanxes of the hordes of hate and genocide.
This is just bad faith hasbara tier garbage. Like saying I want to knife Christian children because I’d burn or shoot up a Nazi belt with "god with us’ on it.
Fuck using religions as shields. Religious fascists don’t get it both ways, they don’t get to both use it, be recognized for it, receive protections for it being them and them being it and have the casual/passive support of a majority (last I checked) of the adherents of it in the west yet somehow not owners of it and somehow protected from feeling “unsafe” by incidentally destroying the symbol of their movement which they NOT I, not people against it, put on there (on the flag) as a deliberate shield to be used in just this way. And it’s shameful it works and you lean right into their troll-faced attempts at making anti-semitism hatred of pissrael.
Don’t want it burned? Make those zionist fuckers take it off their fucking flag. Not our fucking job. Not our choice. Don’t blame us.
Unironic use of maoist standard English
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incredible
Acting like (incidentally) burning a symbol put on the flag NOT BY US but by them is the same as a mass murder camp?
Pathetic. Disgusting. Intellectually dishonest. You have no arguments so resort to emotionally extreme appeals detached from reality. YOU LOSE.
As Finkelstein once said I don’t care about your crocodile tears and I don’t care about your attempted emotional terrorism in defense of genocidal settler monsters who fully deserve being compared to Hitlerite Germany and their symbol (and this flag is their chosen symbol, the only other option I’m aware of as a stand-in for zionism being just the star by itself which I’d avoid for obvious reasons) treated as similar to the swastika with similar disdain and scorn and yes burnings and throwing in a pile of manure.
This is typical of zionists and their supporters (including liberal/apologist/secret supporters of which there are many who display the German model of self-flagellation and feeling guilt that blinds them to any critical thought on matters involving Jews/zionists) by the way who conflate everything with the Holocaust and are constantly pulling that out as a card to excuse their atrocities.
It’s time to take it away. What Germans and Poles did to European Jews 70 years ago doesn’t excuse the (genocidal) existence of pissrael nor does it provide some special magic exemption from examination and criticism and yes disdain and mockery and spitting on card nor some eternal shield they can use to bash others in the face. This “waaaagh I’m a victim, some Jews (same ones hated by zionists for not joining them) were victims, so we get to do what we want, any pushback or existence of things that are mean to us is a holocaust so ban mentions of Gaza or hurting our symbols” is infantile.
Holocaust trivialization is not okay (which is what you do saying things like that, the exact same canard that zionists pull out and accuse anyone against the existence of pissrael of being after).
Absolute fire
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Oh yeah, we were all burning stars of david and then they just happened to put it on their flag later. Fuck off, you understand exactly what context you’re doing it in. While you’re calling me emotional you obviously have an emotional attachement to specifically burning the star of david. No other reference to Israel will do, it HAS to be the one that directly evokes the holocaust.
You can compare Israel’s genocide to the holocaust without a “burn the jews” emoji. Literally nobody is stopping you from doing that. Just don’t project your trivilisation of the holocaust, your demand to evoke antisemitism - you can say it’s not your fault they put it on their flag all you want, but it is your fault you’re ignoring the context of the holocaust - onto me. Don’t project your intellectual dishonesty onto me - I’m not a zionist for understanding the context in which I criticise Israel, but you are an antisemite for demanding that you should be allowed to ignore that context.
Holy fucking Zionist take
Once you get a bunch of crosses in different directions it looks different and therefore doesnt have an association with a racist lynch mob.
Kinda looks like an anti Red Cross emoji tbh
Keep going, more gymnastics and contortions for jewish exceptionalism
Cross burning is absolutely a hate symbol used by the Ku Klux Klan. Burning a British flag? Who gives a shit. Burning a wooden cross where minorities can see it? Yeah, I’m reaching for the nearest weapon because I’m about to be fighting for my life.
This is literally anti-Semitic. It isn’t “Jewish exceptionalism” it’s just white supremacy. See how they treat all non-white Jews. You seriously need to log the fuck off for a bit.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_George’s_Cross
I think these emojis should stay, just for the record, but a significant number of European flags have Christian symbols on them.
oh it was and continued to be a constant struggle session. Dozens of comments have been removed for it, users banned and threads locked
:isreal-cool: is right up there with incels in terms of how often they trigger struggle sessions. There seems to be at least one 150+ comment thread about it every month or two.
I’m talking about the time of implementation. There was barely any disagreement that I recall, there was barely a blip about it, most people shrugged at the time or mildly agreed that not giving easy fuel was better. It was in the last few weeks that this suddenly started appearing in conversations here frequently.
(But looking down)
There was absolutely a struggle session and users got banned when it went down. It’s just so long that a lot of people forget it happened. And the argument against having the emoji wasn’t just that it could be antisemtic, it was also that it made some users uncomfortable. It’s also how we got rid of the :saudicool: emoji when someone rightly pointed out what that Arabic text on the KSA flag is.
Oh I used similar examples as the Saudi flag assuming it wouldn’t be a problem here but glad to see there was some amount of self awareness there when that struggle sesh went down.
The Saudi flag wasn’t a problem. Some muslim users at the time basically said they didn’t care if there was an emoji burning a KSA or ISIS flag (yes, also why we don’t have :isiscool: lol) just because the shahada was on it. I’m also not sure I would call it self-awareness as much as ignorance and also trying to cover their own asses. They claimed ignorance about the shahada, but IIRC :turkeycool: was only removed much later, even though it was pointed out the crescent is also an Islamic symbol (which the people against having the genuine israel cool thought was “too far”).
There’s also all of the flags with Christian symbolism that are allowed, and then there is
(the lotus flower is a sacred symbol/image in Hinduism).
Yes maybe self awareness wasn’t the right way to put it, more like following through on their own line of logic in a way that doesn’t make them look as hypocritical. If there was those emojis still and not the israel one it would look even more ridiculous
Using indigenous Hawaiian Israel Kamakawiwoʻole to represent the occupation is one of the grossest fucking things on this site and whoever signed off on that change should fucking apologize.
Burning a genocidal flag emoji is too far but disrespecting an indigenous activist is fair game
Never change, whites of hexbear
It’s been called out multiple times but still stands. It pisses me off a lot. It also changes the meaning of that emoji compared to all of the other “cool” emojis.
The mods can’t just find a random white dude named Israel but have to pick on some Hawaiian instead.
It’s been a thing for years since the early days of the site and even the subreddit. The joke is that he’s the good israel. Kind of like how subreddits used to post gifs of shakira every time the subject of sharia law came up.
“Cool Israel”
no position in the struggle session, but I want to point out that equating cool Israel meme with Reddit athiest islamophobia doesn’t make the point you think it does
I only know Israel Epstein, but he was based Israel and based Epstein
To be fair, what happened was the one jewish user who manages/makes all the emojis expressed discomfort with it and said “you can add it but I’m not comfortable making it myself”. And then struggle sessions ensued but nobody ever added it.
posting pics of the israeli flag burning or doing it with emojis was never banned, it just wasn’t specifically added to the library, IMO out of a lack of consensus. Which may still have been the wrong call but its not the same as this US policy.
Multiple long time users, including zposter in this thread, have been banned for this
banned over the struggle session, behavior in it, and other longstanding issues, not for posting a burning israeli flag. Unless I missed something, which is possible
Banned in a struggle session about having the emoji. There’s a reason they were banned in this thread, by this admin and attacked as an anti-semite by this particular mod (Nakoichi) who has issued them death threats before
I’m not claiming they’re unrelated, just that they aren’t the same thing. The OP is about actual criminalization of actual flag burning, not punishment of harassment or other unrelated rule breaking ( that happens to be related to one’s position on flag burning). Nobody’s been stopping anybody from posting images like these over the past 2 years:
I don’t even necessarily agree with banning zposter over this, but there’s a long laundry list of other reasons so I’m not too chuffed abt it
mod bootlicker you are feeding into their zionist apologia
edit: oh its literally you. Great. If you dislike the instance so much I would appreciate if you’d just leave and go post elsewhere.
i love how people react this way literally every time there’s any friction between the mods and user base but I’m glad i got to see it to know i should block you
Cause this is a web zone and not the government?
communist web zone tho, supposedly. one that ostensibly supports various factions that do burn that flag all the time. So we are at best sending mixed messages here, undermining support for groups like Ansarallah and Hezbollah by enacting the same policies as the fascist zionist government for some reason. What type of message does this send to those on this webzone not from the burgerreich?
Yeah dude those groups and the wider world are totally paying close attention to this niche shitposting site. Get over yourself.
there’s arab users here including myself that feel extremely othered by this white pearl clutching. many palestinians came here thinking this was an english speaking pro-resistance site, and here we have this quibbling zionist shit still. We can’t escape it.
How the fuck is it white pearl clutching to correct your assertion that this isn’t about Jewishness but about white supremacy?
I am not condemning people irl actually burning the actual flag in protest. We also have the
emoji. You have had a long standing beef with the mods here I get it. But that seems much more to do with your toxic contrarianism than any actual principled stance. Now you are accusing me of “white pearl clutching” and frankly go fuck yourself I am done with you. There’s a reason you have been banned like 5 times before. IDK why they tolerate your repeated ban evasion.
I’ve been banned once, and I was unbanned. Have you ever considered there’s dozens of us?
they tolerate him because they’re always correct just an asshole. they’re correct again here
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The consequences for violation are on a hilariously different scale. Here you might get a deleted by mod where if the government’s mods say you can’t it’s actually illegal, so there’s a big difference there. You can also reach the same policy for different reasons, im kinda ambivalent on the hexbear policy and with a flag like that no matter what move you make here plays into Israel’s hand, that’s why they made the flag be that way. I also dont think it’s all thst detrimental towards our support Ansrallah or Hezbollah in their current struggle cause they aren’t reading any of this and if they did they probably wouldnt like us, they arent leftist groups, they have our support cause they’re trying to stop a genocide. Its not like we see eye to eye with these guys in pretty much any other regard, they’re just what we have rn. Its pragmatic support. Which means you dont need to go full in. I would hope those not from the burgerreich would get this cause neither of those groups represent them and therefore we dont need to mirror their behavior. Im mostly against it cause it’ll just invite really annoying federated reply guys every time it’s used
they both are further left than you are
That simply isn’t true. Just because they oppose Israel and do things about it doesnt make them leftist by any measure. You are being absolutely absurd here.
They are banned now but this is the same user that once claimed that Russia is (not was but is) more socialist than China.
I do notice it always seems to be the most contrarian and “fuck you, I do what I want” sort of posters here who loudly demand a burning Israel flag the most. Like, it isn’t hard to express hate for Israel here, so I don’t know why they act like this is some big “censorship” thing or whatever, they accuse people of behaving like liberals, while behaving like liberals themselves, acting like the meaning of words isn’t important, just empty symbols and shibboleths.
It’s largely one user who has a fuckton of alts. The reason it seems like a lot of extremely edgy contrarian posters are demanding this is because it’s actually one extremely edgy contrarian poster demanding this while pretending to be many people.
That’s not to say there’s not a variety of people who have thoughts on this, but it’s pretty disingenuous of Zposter to constantly act as though they’re a bunch of different people and somehow representative of all arab users on the site.
literally just lying and making shit up. Just like when you lied about the death threats you made
Im sure it’s hard to remember but was that claim substantiated at all? Im doubting it and it would be hard to recall, but if so I’d like to hear what that argument would be.
idk someone else reminded me of it but I think it was something to do with China doing business with the US and Israel or something to that effect. It was nonsense.
It was in fact not substantiated. Just yet another total ass-pull contrarian take.
the user was banned for their argument, so the consequences are worse than you stated. You are harassed, given death threats, lied about, smeared and banned.