There wasn’t really a struggle session over it, just a “yeah let’s not give away easy ammunition to call us antisemites” in the immediate aftermath of Oct 7th. Nobody really thought it was antisemitism to burn the Israeli flag but that anything involving the star of david is incredibly easy propaganda for zionists to claim antisemitism regardless of the reality.
I would burn a Kkkristian flag with a cross on it in an instant and I don’t think any black person would look at that happening at a demonstration and assume “kkk”. The KKK cross burning was a very specific ritual involving construction of and burning of a physical cross standing by itself either in a yard or near people as a threat or at the center of their ritual gatherings. Backwards patriachal religions have no right to exist nor their symbols of the mythology and superstition any special right to protection when those symbols are at the front phalanxes of the hordes of hate and genocide.
This is just bad faith hasbara tier garbage. Like saying I want to knife Christian children because I’d burn or shoot up a Nazi belt with "god with us’ on it.
Fuck using religions as shields. Religious fascists don’t get it both ways, they don’t get to both use it, be recognized for it, receive protections for it being them and them being it and have the casual/passive support of a majority (last I checked) of the adherents of it in the west yet somehow not owners of it and somehow protected from feeling “unsafe” by incidentally destroying the symbol of their movement which they NOT I, not people against it, put on there (on the flag) as a deliberate shield to be used in just this way. And it’s shameful it works and you lean right into their troll-faced attempts at making anti-semitism hatred of pissrael.
Don’t want it burned? Make those zionist fuckers take it off their fucking flag. Not our fucking job. Not our choice. Don’t blame us.
Acting like (incidentally) burning a symbol put on the flag NOT BY US but by them is the same as a mass murder camp?
Pathetic. Disgusting. Intellectually dishonest. You have no arguments so resort to emotionally extreme appeals detached from reality. YOU LOSE.
As Finkelstein once said I don’t care about your crocodile tears and I don’t care about your attempted emotional terrorism in defense of genocidal settler monsters who fully deserve being compared to Hitlerite Germany and their symbol (and this flag is their chosen symbol, the only other option I’m aware of as a stand-in for zionism being just the star by itself which I’d avoid for obvious reasons) treated as similar to the swastika with similar disdain and scorn and yes burnings and throwing in a pile of manure.
This is typical of zionists and their supporters (including liberal/apologist/secret supporters of which there are many who display the German model of self-flagellation and feeling guilt that blinds them to any critical thought on matters involving Jews/zionists) by the way who conflate everything with the Holocaust and are constantly pulling that out as a card to excuse their atrocities.
It’s time to take it away. What Germans and Poles did to European Jews 70 years ago doesn’t excuse the (genocidal) existence of pissrael nor does it provide some special magic exemption from examination and criticism and yes disdain and mockery and spitting on card nor some eternal shield they can use to bash others in the face. This “waaaagh I’m a victim, some Jews (same ones hated by zionists for not joining them) were victims, so we get to do what we want, any pushback or existence of things that are mean to us is a holocaust so ban mentions of Gaza or hurting our symbols” is infantile.
Like saying I want to knife Christian children because I’d burn or shoot up a Nazi belt with "god with us’ on it.
Bit fucking rich for a holocaust emoji supporter to pretend they’re being called a child killer just because we won’t let them doodle little auschwitz’s everywhere.
Holocaust trivialization is not okay (which is what you do saying things like that, the exact same canard that zionists pull out and accuse anyone against the existence of pissrael of being after).
(incidentally) burning a symbol put on the flag NOT BY US
Oh yeah, we were all burning stars of david and then they just happened to put it on their flag later. Fuck off, you understand exactly what context you’re doing it in. While you’re calling me emotional you obviously have an emotional attachement to specifically burning the star of david. No other reference to Israel will do, it HAS to be the one that directly evokes the holocaust.
You can compare Israel’s genocide to the holocaust without a “burn the jews” emoji. Literally nobody is stopping you from doing that. Just don’t project your trivilisation of the holocaust, your demand to evoke antisemitism - you can say it’s not your fault they put it on their flag all you want, but it is your fault you’re ignoring the context of the holocaust - onto me. Don’t project your intellectual dishonesty onto me - I’m not a zionist for understanding the context in which I criticise Israel, but you are an antisemite for demanding that you should be allowed to ignore that context.
Oh yeah, we were all burning stars of david and then they just happened to put it on their flag later. Fuck off, you understand exactly what context you’re doing it in. While you’re calling me emotional you obviously have an emotional attachement to specifically burning the star of david. No other reference to Israel will do, it HAS to be the one that directly evokes the holocaust.
It “has to be” the actual flag of Israel because Israel is doing a holocaust right now, take this zionist horseshit to reddit
Of course, totally not antisemitic for you to call for a second holocaust against Jews if they’re also committing their own holocaust. As we all know, we just need one more genocide and everything will be finally sorted out.
I’m not a zionist, I can just see where the line between antizionism and antisemitism is. You know full well that it evokes the holocaust, you’re not even trying to hide it, so you know full well that it crosses the line into antisemitism.
Cross burning is absolutely a hate symbol used by the Ku Klux Klan. Burning a British flag? Who gives a shit. Burning a wooden cross where minorities can see it? Yeah, I’m reaching for the nearest weapon because I’m about to be fighting for my life.
So we have this but you really really want it to have a star of david. Do you not see how fucked up your logic is here? Also there’s a reason you’ve been banned like 5 times before.
This is literally anti-Semitic. It isn’t “Jewish exceptionalism” it’s just white supremacy. See how they treat all non-white Jews. You seriously need to log the fuck off for a bit.
I am calling Zionists white supremacists. You’re just grasping here. Zionists do not see non-white Jews as equals and it has nothing to do with faith. You are stepping into actually anti-semitic territory with this and proving why we don’t have that emoji.
:isreal-cool: is right up there with incels in terms of how often they trigger struggle sessions. There seems to be at least one 150+ comment thread about it every month or two.
I’m talking about the time of implementation. There was barely any disagreement that I recall, there was barely a blip about it, most people shrugged at the time or mildly agreed that not giving easy fuel was better. It was in the last few weeks that this suddenly started appearing in conversations here frequently.
There was absolutely a struggle session and users got banned when it went down. It’s just so long that a lot of people forget it happened. And the argument against having the emoji wasn’t just that it could be antisemtic, it was also that it made some users uncomfortable. It’s also how we got rid of the :saudicool: emoji when someone rightly pointed out what that Arabic text on the KSA flag is.
Oh I used similar examples as the Saudi flag assuming it wouldn’t be a problem here but glad to see there was some amount of self awareness there when that struggle sesh went down.
The Saudi flag wasn’t a problem. Some muslim users at the time basically said they didn’t care if there was an emoji burning a KSA or ISIS flag (yes, also why we don’t have :isiscool: lol) just because the shahada was on it. I’m also not sure I would call it self-awareness as much as ignorance and also trying to cover their own asses. They claimed ignorance about the shahada, but IIRC :turkeycool: was only removed much later, even though it was pointed out the crescent is also an Islamic symbol (which the people against having the genuine israel cool thought was “too far”).
There’s also all of the flags with Christian symbolism that are allowed, and then there is (the lotus flower is a sacred symbol/image in Hinduism).
Yes maybe self awareness wasn’t the right way to put it, more like following through on their own line of logic in a way that doesn’t make them look as hypocritical. If there was those emojis still and not the israel one it would look even more ridiculous
There wasn’t really a struggle session over it, just a “yeah let’s not give away easy ammunition to call us antisemites” in the immediate aftermath of Oct 7th. Nobody really thought it was antisemitism to burn the Israeli flag but that anything involving the star of david is incredibly easy propaganda for zionists to claim antisemitism regardless of the reality.
The star of david and the swastika are both religious symbols.
To enforce this rule means that they should also enforce a rule against burning the nazi flag.
Otherwise it’s just jewish exceptionalism.
So is a cross but you probably wouldnt burn one cause of the implications
I would burn a Kkkristian flag with a cross on it in an instant and I don’t think any black person would look at that happening at a demonstration and assume “kkk”. The KKK cross burning was a very specific ritual involving construction of and burning of a physical cross standing by itself either in a yard or near people as a threat or at the center of their ritual gatherings. Backwards patriachal religions have no right to exist nor their symbols of the mythology and superstition any special right to protection when those symbols are at the front phalanxes of the hordes of hate and genocide.
This is just bad faith hasbara tier garbage. Like saying I want to knife Christian children because I’d burn or shoot up a Nazi belt with "god with us’ on it.
Fuck using religions as shields. Religious fascists don’t get it both ways, they don’t get to both use it, be recognized for it, receive protections for it being them and them being it and have the casual/passive support of a majority (last I checked) of the adherents of it in the west yet somehow not owners of it and somehow protected from feeling “unsafe” by incidentally destroying the symbol of their movement which they NOT I, not people against it, put on there (on the flag) as a deliberate shield to be used in just this way. And it’s shameful it works and you lean right into their troll-faced attempts at making anti-semitism hatred of pissrael.
Don’t want it burned? Make those zionist fuckers take it off their fucking flag. Not our fucking job. Not our choice. Don’t blame us.
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incredible
Acting like (incidentally) burning a symbol put on the flag NOT BY US but by them is the same as a mass murder camp?
Pathetic. Disgusting. Intellectually dishonest. You have no arguments so resort to emotionally extreme appeals detached from reality. YOU LOSE.
As Finkelstein once said I don’t care about your crocodile tears and I don’t care about your attempted emotional terrorism in defense of genocidal settler monsters who fully deserve being compared to Hitlerite Germany and their symbol (and this flag is their chosen symbol, the only other option I’m aware of as a stand-in for zionism being just the star by itself which I’d avoid for obvious reasons) treated as similar to the swastika with similar disdain and scorn and yes burnings and throwing in a pile of manure.
This is typical of zionists and their supporters (including liberal/apologist/secret supporters of which there are many who display the German model of self-flagellation and feeling guilt that blinds them to any critical thought on matters involving Jews/zionists) by the way who conflate everything with the Holocaust and are constantly pulling that out as a card to excuse their atrocities.
It’s time to take it away. What Germans and Poles did to European Jews 70 years ago doesn’t excuse the (genocidal) existence of pissrael nor does it provide some special magic exemption from examination and criticism and yes disdain and mockery and spitting on card nor some eternal shield they can use to bash others in the face. This “waaaagh I’m a victim, some Jews (same ones hated by zionists for not joining them) were victims, so we get to do what we want, any pushback or existence of things that are mean to us is a holocaust so ban mentions of Gaza or hurting our symbols” is infantile.
Holocaust trivialization is not okay (which is what you do saying things like that, the exact same canard that zionists pull out and accuse anyone against the existence of pissrael of being after).
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Oh yeah, we were all burning stars of david and then they just happened to put it on their flag later. Fuck off, you understand exactly what context you’re doing it in. While you’re calling me emotional you obviously have an emotional attachement to specifically burning the star of david. No other reference to Israel will do, it HAS to be the one that directly evokes the holocaust.
You can compare Israel’s genocide to the holocaust without a “burn the jews” emoji. Literally nobody is stopping you from doing that. Just don’t project your trivilisation of the holocaust, your demand to evoke antisemitism - you can say it’s not your fault they put it on their flag all you want, but it is your fault you’re ignoring the context of the holocaust - onto me. Don’t project your intellectual dishonesty onto me - I’m not a zionist for understanding the context in which I criticise Israel, but you are an antisemite for demanding that you should be allowed to ignore that context.
It “has to be” the actual flag of Israel because Israel is doing a holocaust right now, take this zionist horseshit to reddit
Of course, totally not antisemitic for you to call for a second holocaust against Jews if they’re also committing their own holocaust. As we all know, we just need one more genocide and everything will be finally sorted out.
I’m not a zionist, I can just see where the line between antizionism and antisemitism is. You know full well that it evokes the holocaust, you’re not even trying to hide it, so you know full well that it crosses the line into antisemitism.
Holy fucking Zionist take
Once you get a bunch of crosses in different directions it looks different and therefore doesnt have an association with a racist lynch mob.
Kinda looks like an anti Red Cross emoji tbh
Keep going, more gymnastics and contortions for jewish exceptionalism
Cross burning is absolutely a hate symbol used by the Ku Klux Klan. Burning a British flag? Who gives a shit. Burning a wooden cross where minorities can see it? Yeah, I’m reaching for the nearest weapon because I’m about to be fighting for my life.
Exactly. Burning a star of david : bad. Burning Israel flag : good. Give us the burning israel flag emote.
This is literally anti-Semitic. It isn’t “Jewish exceptionalism” it’s just white supremacy. See how they treat all non-white Jews. You seriously need to log the fuck off for a bit.
a special exception for the flag of israel is indeed jewish exceptionalism. zionist. whitey calling arabs “white supremacist”
I am calling Zionists white supremacists. You’re just grasping here. Zionists do not see non-white Jews as equals and it has nothing to do with faith. You are stepping into actually anti-semitic territory with this and proving why we don’t have that emoji.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_George’s_Cross
I think these emojis should stay, just for the record, but a significant number of European flags have Christian symbols on them.
oh it was and continued to be a constant struggle session. Dozens of comments have been removed for it, users banned and threads locked
:isreal-cool: is right up there with incels in terms of how often they trigger struggle sessions. There seems to be at least one 150+ comment thread about it every month or two.
I’m talking about the time of implementation. There was barely any disagreement that I recall, there was barely a blip about it, most people shrugged at the time or mildly agreed that not giving easy fuel was better. It was in the last few weeks that this suddenly started appearing in conversations here frequently.
(But looking down)
There was absolutely a struggle session and users got banned when it went down. It’s just so long that a lot of people forget it happened. And the argument against having the emoji wasn’t just that it could be antisemtic, it was also that it made some users uncomfortable. It’s also how we got rid of the :saudicool: emoji when someone rightly pointed out what that Arabic text on the KSA flag is.
Oh I used similar examples as the Saudi flag assuming it wouldn’t be a problem here but glad to see there was some amount of self awareness there when that struggle sesh went down.
The Saudi flag wasn’t a problem. Some muslim users at the time basically said they didn’t care if there was an emoji burning a KSA or ISIS flag (yes, also why we don’t have :isiscool: lol) just because the shahada was on it. I’m also not sure I would call it self-awareness as much as ignorance and also trying to cover their own asses. They claimed ignorance about the shahada, but IIRC :turkeycool: was only removed much later, even though it was pointed out the crescent is also an Islamic symbol (which the people against having the genuine israel cool thought was “too far”).
There’s also all of the flags with Christian symbolism that are allowed, and then there is
(the lotus flower is a sacred symbol/image in Hinduism).
Yes maybe self awareness wasn’t the right way to put it, more like following through on their own line of logic in a way that doesn’t make them look as hypocritical. If there was those emojis still and not the israel one it would look even more ridiculous