I do notice it always seems to be the most contrarian and “fuck you, I do what I want” sort of posters here who loudly demand a burning Israel flag the most. Like, it isn’t hard to express hate for Israel here, so I don’t know why they act like this is some big “censorship” thing or whatever, they accuse people of behaving like liberals, while behaving like liberals themselves, acting like the meaning of words isn’t important, just empty symbols and shibboleths.
It’s largely one user who has a fuckton of alts. The reason it seems like a lot of extremely edgy contrarian posters are demanding this is because it’s actually one extremely edgy contrarian poster demanding this while pretending to be many people.
That’s not to say there’s not a variety of people who have thoughts on this, but it’s pretty disingenuous of Zposter to constantly act as though they’re a bunch of different people and somehow representative of all arab users on the site.
Looking at the comments and upvotes on this post makes it pretty clear that more people are aligned with Z’s position than not, even if you discount the users who are allegedly their alts.
Nah, it’s definitely not that. No conspiracy theory nonsense lmao
Using votes as an indicator with discussions like this inside of a thread is definitely going to skew the results, and they’re never going to be cleanly 1:1 representative of the actual thoughts of the userbase.
I’m not really sure how to solve divisive things like this because invariably, whatever decision gets made (or even just the act of opening things to a vote) always results in a struggle session. This shit isn’t constructive and I think the actual root of the issue is that the imagery we have is backing us into a corner with this. Either we have a Holocaust emoji or we have to abstract anti-Israeli sentiment like this and neither of those are really good options.
E: An actual discussion post on the subject is forthcoming. (hex)Bear with us while we’re getting stuff set up
I don’t think I’ve interacted with him before this but I do think it’s disingenuous to say he isn’t a representative of what most arabs on this site think.
“israel” has been bombing the entire region for almost a century at this point, all while waving that flag.
Maybe it doesn’t make sense to a westerner, but yes that flag is literally the same as the nazi flag in west asia.
Like your partner, I don’t feel comfortable with wearing or showing off anything with the Star of David anymore.
It’s pretty clear even in this thread that the userbase is divided on this. I think the site admins and mods are really wary about any moves that could cause a struggle session given how even the most seemingly obvious tweaks and course corrections have resulted in week-long fights.
I think the crux of the issue goes back to the Holocaust and it’s the specific imagery of burning the Star of David as being representative of burning Jews. I’m not sure how to fix that.
That’s so incredibly pathetic. They’re wasting all this time and energy on trying to get a niche shitposting site to have an emoji they really want instead of just verbalising how they feel about Israel, there’s no one stopping them. I feel bad now, imagine all the effort they’ve spent trying to push hexbear into get this emoji, instead of doing literally anything more productive with their time, they could’ve gone out and actually pushed for actual Palestinian causes, actually helped their community, even just tried to educate people on Israel and their crimes, instead they choose to accuse probably the most anti-Israel place on the internet of being pro-Israel because of a fucking emoji. Goddamn. I want them to touch grass so bad I’m going to go and touch grass the rest of the day.
Also, was that nazi account that showed up a little while back that demanded the same emoji also one of their alts? They’ve made a few similar arguments here. Because if so I think that alone is grounds for banning all their accounts, “cosplaying” as a nazi to “own the Israelis” is just disgusting, and I think would show their true intentions behind why they want this particular emoji so bad. I really hope that wasn’t them, I wouldn’t think they are that bad.
Zposter is infamous for having made literally dozens of ban evasion alts and for being entirely unable to fly under the radar with those alts. Circling back to the exact same pet issues every single time and behaving the exact same way.
Just a crank ultra who loves to be a contrarian and stir up struggle sessions.
As long as you keep banning me for nonsense I’ll keep making new accounts. Admins and mods themselves have stated that since they removed the userunion, feedback and appeals comms and avenues the correct way to address any grievance with mod abuse is make a new alt. We are explicitly actively encouraged to keep creating new alts by the mod team so they never have to deal with feedback or appeals.
But if we do what you explicitly told us is our only recourse, that’s also ban worthy btw.
Your whole shit is a giant bag of contradictions. Your mods make death threats and when it’s brought up, admins look the other way. There’s a chilling effect, users notice you doing this. It doesn’t go away like you think, it festers and you lose users and nobody values your judgments.
I cannot imagine being so mad about a single removed comment deep in an interpersonal argument that was litigated over a year ago. You keep coming back and banging a drum about the same three or four personal squabbles unendingly.
It’s like a depressing, terminally online ultraleftist version of Groundhog Day.
The code of conduct does actually address this, among other relevant topics
If the user comes back under a new account and continues to make trouble, they will be banned.
You can come back under a new account. This ultimately is the case anywhere online, especially anywhere remotely privacy respecting, but if you make it clear you’re the same person and/or start doing the same rule-breaking shit, then that’s bannable. It could be a bit more explicit, but it’s the understood policy for as long as I recall, and only a couple repeatedly-banned users such as yourself seem to take issue with it.
Also relevant:
Be aware of your own enjoyment of the site.
If you find yourself no longer having fun, do something else. There are many different comms on Hexbear, and many different ways to shitpost and have fun.
If the site as a whole is just not cutting it for you, take a break. We’ll still be here when you get back. Nothing should compel you to stay.
The site is deliberately designed to be a relaxing sort of fun rather than an addictive one. We do not want you to remain on Hexbear if remaining on the site is no longer fun for you.
If you find yourself logging into the site while not really wanting to, or while knowing that you shouldn’t, please contact a moderator and we can provide a ban.
If we ultimately determine that a user has become toxic and is fixated on complaining about the site, we will ban them. We are always open to feedback and suggestions, but if we notice someone that constantly posts / comments about how much they dislike everything then it’s probably better for them to find somewhere else to spend their time. The rest of the community has a right to a positive environment.
and…
Lying about moderator interactions (eg saying you were banned or warned for no reason when you were really banned for sectarianism) damages trust in the moderators and makes it less likely that others will come forward with reports about other users, allowing wreckers to fly under the radar and making the site less safe for everyone. Lying about moderator interactions, in any capacity, will lead to a permanent ban without warning.
If the user comes back under a new account and continues to make trouble, they will be banned.
dsplayer/beluga/melina and Catradora_Stalininsm/HelltakerHomosexual prove that this rule is entirely dependent on how much the admins like you personally.
I’m in and out of this site so I don’t know every struggle session that’s happened, but it doesn’t look like this every actually happened since the rules I quoted are exactly the same.
EDIT: @CARCOSA@hexbear.net sorry I realized posting this without @'ing you is talking about you behind your back
Zposter (not the name of the users first account) has had alts for years and believe it or not had admins often speak up for him to be unbanned over the years so it is exactly the same situation as Melina and helltaker.
Ironically I think I’ve unbanned all three of those people.
The line that is crossed to be banned for ban evasion is either continuing the behavior that got the account banned before the alt is created or using the alt to harass users/mods.
dsplayer/beluga/melina and Catradora_Stalininsm/HelltakerHomosexual prove that this rule is entirely dependent on how much the admins like you personally.
I can’t speak to past treatment, but those people are all currently banned, no? so it’s not entirely dependent, just a rule that needs some clarification and to be enforced more rigorously+consistently (but given the nature of opsec and alts, its not actually possible to police them perfectly)
Both of them were banned and unbanned on their latest accounts, and only kept banned when their behavior became completely indefensible. If the admins had actually addressed the rule between then and now I might feel differently, but why should I think other users the admins like would be/are being treated differently?
(but given the nature of opsec and alts, its not actually possible to police them perfectly)
sure, but like I mentioned in my other comment the admins made it very clear they knew who HeltakerHomosexual was.
I do notice it always seems to be the most contrarian and “fuck you, I do what I want” sort of posters here who loudly demand a burning Israel flag the most. Like, it isn’t hard to express hate for Israel here, so I don’t know why they act like this is some big “censorship” thing or whatever, they accuse people of behaving like liberals, while behaving like liberals themselves, acting like the meaning of words isn’t important, just empty symbols and shibboleths.
It’s largely one user who has a fuckton of alts. The reason it seems like a lot of extremely edgy contrarian posters are demanding this is because it’s actually one extremely edgy contrarian poster demanding this while pretending to be many people.
That’s not to say there’s not a variety of people who have thoughts on this, but it’s pretty disingenuous of Zposter to constantly act as though they’re a bunch of different people and somehow representative of all arab users on the site.
Looking at the comments and upvotes on this post makes it pretty clear that more people are aligned with Z’s position than not, even if you discount the users who are allegedly their alts.
Or maybe we’re all their alts now idk
Nah, it’s definitely not that. No conspiracy theory nonsense lmao
Using votes as an indicator with discussions like this inside of a thread is definitely going to skew the results, and they’re never going to be cleanly 1:1 representative of the actual thoughts of the userbase.
I’m not really sure how to solve divisive things like this because invariably, whatever decision gets made (or even just the act of opening things to a vote) always results in a struggle session. This shit isn’t constructive and I think the actual root of the issue is that the imagery we have is backing us into a corner with this. Either we have a Holocaust emoji or we have to abstract anti-Israeli sentiment like this and neither of those are really good options.
E: An actual discussion post on the subject is forthcoming. (hex)Bear with us while we’re getting stuff set up
“From the River to the Sea” is a Holocaust chant. Watermelon is a Holocaust Fruit. Palestine Flag is a Holocaust Flag. Hamas are doing the Holocaust.
Do you even listen to yourself?
False equivalence, fuck off Zposter. That’s not at all what I’m saying.
You just cannot help yourself, can you? Just gotta jump to the most disingenuous bullshit immediately!
It’s the end result of your logic, hence why I have been calling it out all this time
Please read my comment above
I don’t think I’ve interacted with him before this but I do think it’s disingenuous to say he isn’t a representative of what most arabs on this site think.
“israel” has been bombing the entire region for almost a century at this point, all while waving that flag.
Maybe it doesn’t make sense to a westerner, but yes that flag is literally the same as the nazi flag in west asia.
Like your partner, I don’t feel comfortable with wearing or showing off anything with the Star of David anymore.
It’s pretty clear even in this thread that the userbase is divided on this. I think the site admins and mods are really wary about any moves that could cause a struggle session given how even the most seemingly obvious tweaks and course corrections have resulted in week-long fights.
I think the crux of the issue goes back to the Holocaust and it’s the specific imagery of burning the Star of David as being representative of burning Jews. I’m not sure how to fix that.
That’s so incredibly pathetic. They’re wasting all this time and energy on trying to get a niche shitposting site to have an emoji they really want instead of just verbalising how they feel about Israel, there’s no one stopping them. I feel bad now, imagine all the effort they’ve spent trying to push hexbear into get this emoji, instead of doing literally anything more productive with their time, they could’ve gone out and actually pushed for actual Palestinian causes, actually helped their community, even just tried to educate people on Israel and their crimes, instead they choose to accuse probably the most anti-Israel place on the internet of being pro-Israel because of a fucking emoji. Goddamn. I want them to touch grass so bad I’m going to go and touch grass the rest of the day.
Also, was that nazi account that showed up a little while back that demanded the same emoji also one of their alts? They’ve made a few similar arguments here. Because if so I think that alone is grounds for banning all their accounts, “cosplaying” as a nazi to “own the Israelis” is just disgusting, and I think would show their true intentions behind why they want this particular emoji so bad. I really hope that wasn’t them, I wouldn’t think they are that bad.
(Thread here, so you know what I’m talking about): https://hexbear.net/post/5761214
Zposter is infamous for having made literally dozens of ban evasion alts and for being entirely unable to fly under the radar with those alts. Circling back to the exact same pet issues every single time and behaving the exact same way.
Just a crank ultra who loves to be a contrarian and stir up struggle sessions.
As long as you keep banning me for nonsense I’ll keep making new accounts. Admins and mods themselves have stated that since they removed the userunion, feedback and appeals comms and avenues the correct way to address any grievance with mod abuse is make a new alt. We are explicitly actively encouraged to keep creating new alts by the mod team so they never have to deal with feedback or appeals.
But if we do what you explicitly told us is our only recourse, that’s also ban worthy btw.
Your whole shit is a giant bag of contradictions. Your mods make death threats and when it’s brought up, admins look the other way. There’s a chilling effect, users notice you doing this. It doesn’t go away like you think, it festers and you lose users and nobody values your judgments.
I cannot imagine being so mad about a single removed comment deep in an interpersonal argument that was litigated over a year ago. You keep coming back and banging a drum about the same three or four personal squabbles unendingly.
It’s like a depressing, terminally online ultraleftist version of Groundhog Day.
The code of conduct does actually address this, among other relevant topics
You can come back under a new account. This ultimately is the case anywhere online, especially anywhere remotely privacy respecting, but if you make it clear you’re the same person and/or start doing the same rule-breaking shit, then that’s bannable. It could be a bit more explicit, but it’s the understood policy for as long as I recall, and only a couple repeatedly-banned users such as yourself seem to take issue with it.
Also relevant:
and…
dsplayer/beluga/melina and Catradora_Stalininsm/HelltakerHomosexual prove that this rule is entirely dependent on how much the admins like you personally.
I’m in and out of this site so I don’t know every struggle session that’s happened, but it doesn’t look like this every actually happened since the rules I quoted are exactly the same.
EDIT: @CARCOSA@hexbear.net sorry I realized posting this without @'ing you is talking about you behind your back
Zposter (not the name of the users first account) has had alts for years and believe it or not had admins often speak up for him to be unbanned over the years so it is exactly the same situation as Melina and helltaker.
Ironically I think I’ve unbanned all three of those people.
The line that is crossed to be banned for ban evasion is either continuing the behavior that got the account banned before the alt is created or using the alt to harass users/mods.
Did the open discussions for improving the Code of Conduct ever happen?
Yeah, it does not appear the CoC has been updated
I can’t speak to past treatment, but those people are all currently banned, no? so it’s not entirely dependent, just a rule that needs some clarification and to be enforced more rigorously+consistently (but given the nature of opsec and alts, its not actually possible to police them perfectly)
Both of them were banned and unbanned on their latest accounts, and only kept banned when their behavior became completely indefensible. If the admins had actually addressed the rule between then and now I might feel differently, but why should I think other users the admins like would be/are being treated differently?
sure, but like I mentioned in my other comment the admins made it very clear they knew who HeltakerHomosexual was.