communist web zone tho, supposedly. one that ostensibly supports various factions that do burn that flag all the time. So we are at best sending mixed messages here, undermining support for groups like Ansarallah and Hezbollah by enacting the same policies as the fascist zionist government for some reason. What type of message does this send to those on this webzone not from the burgerreich?
there’s arab users here including myself that feel extremely othered by this white pearl clutching. many palestinians came here thinking this was an english speaking pro-resistance site, and here we have this quibbling zionist shit still. We can’t escape it.
I am not condemning people irl actually burning the actual flag in protest. We also have the emoji. You have had a long standing beef with the mods here I get it. But that seems much more to do with your toxic contrarianism than any actual principled stance. Now you are accusing me of “white pearl clutching” and frankly go fuck yourself I am done with you. There’s a reason you have been banned like 5 times before. IDK why they tolerate your repeated ban evasion.
No there isn’t, you always throw the exact same tantrum that eventually devolves into you posting pictures of people burning israeli flags because that’s the entirety of the issue as you can comprehend it. Fuck off and stop asking for the holocaust emojis.
I was banned when this all originally went down years ago, and I wasn’t the only one. And I don’t want to read anymore of your fucking nonsense, my grandparents were in the camps.
Nobody is “always correct”. But you are right they’re an asshole and they are not right here. Zionism is not “Jewish exceptionalism” it is white supremacy. Claiming Zionism is Jewish exceptionalism is literally anti-Semitic.
How exactly is zionism not Jewish exceptionalism? Are white Christians also able to steal a house in the west bank?
Jewish exceptionalism is the invalidation of otherwise valid criticism based solely on the actor’s Jewishness. Jonathan Greenblatt literally said this week that the Jewish intermarriage rate is “worrying”, and has received zero backlash from media because… it is jewish exceptionalism.
The same way so many criticism of “israel” have been ignored for almost a century, because it is taboo for some reason to call out atrocities done by israel because they have successfully made themselves synonymous to Jewish identity to the “normal” person.
Also white is a construct. Italians were not white. Irish were not white. Jewish people are arguably part of the white population. It can be taken away at any point in time, but the same goes for any ethnic group.
Zionism can be both white supremacist and also Jewish exceptionalism.
The consequences for violation are on a hilariously different scale. Here you might get a deleted by mod where if the government’s mods say you can’t it’s actually illegal, so there’s a big difference there. You can also reach the same policy for different reasons, im kinda ambivalent on the hexbear policy and with a flag like that no matter what move you make here plays into Israel’s hand, that’s why they made the flag be that way. I also dont think it’s all thst detrimental towards our support Ansrallah or Hezbollah in their current struggle cause they aren’t reading any of this and if they did they probably wouldnt like us, they arent leftist groups, they have our support cause they’re trying to stop a genocide. Its not like we see eye to eye with these guys in pretty much any other regard, they’re just what we have rn. Its pragmatic support. Which means you dont need to go full in. I would hope those not from the burgerreich would get this cause neither of those groups represent them and therefore we dont need to mirror their behavior. Im mostly against it cause it’ll just invite really annoying federated reply guys every time it’s used
That simply isn’t true. Just because they oppose Israel and do things about it doesnt make them leftist by any measure. You are being absolutely absurd here.
I do notice it always seems to be the most contrarian and “fuck you, I do what I want” sort of posters here who loudly demand a burning Israel flag the most. Like, it isn’t hard to express hate for Israel here, so I don’t know why they act like this is some big “censorship” thing or whatever, they accuse people of behaving like liberals, while behaving like liberals themselves, acting like the meaning of words isn’t important, just empty symbols and shibboleths.
It’s largely one user who has a fuckton of alts. The reason it seems like a lot of extremely edgy contrarian posters are demanding this is because it’s actually one extremely edgy contrarian poster demanding this while pretending to be many people.
That’s not to say there’s not a variety of people who have thoughts on this, but it’s pretty disingenuous of Zposter to constantly act as though they’re a bunch of different people and somehow representative of all arab users on the site.
Looking at the comments and upvotes on this post makes it pretty clear that more people are aligned with Z’s position than not, even if you discount the users who are allegedly their alts.
Nah, it’s definitely not that. No conspiracy theory nonsense lmao
Using votes as an indicator with discussions like this inside of a thread is definitely going to skew the results, and they’re never going to be cleanly 1:1 representative of the actual thoughts of the userbase.
I’m not really sure how to solve divisive things like this because invariably, whatever decision gets made (or even just the act of opening things to a vote) always results in a struggle session. This shit isn’t constructive and I think the actual root of the issue is that the imagery we have is backing us into a corner with this. Either we have a Holocaust emoji or we have to abstract anti-Israeli sentiment like this and neither of those are really good options.
E: An actual discussion post on the subject is forthcoming. (hex)Bear with us while we’re getting stuff set up
I don’t think I’ve interacted with him before this but I do think it’s disingenuous to say he isn’t a representative of what most arabs on this site think.
“israel” has been bombing the entire region for almost a century at this point, all while waving that flag.
Maybe it doesn’t make sense to a westerner, but yes that flag is literally the same as the nazi flag in west asia.
Like your partner, I don’t feel comfortable with wearing or showing off anything with the Star of David anymore.
It’s pretty clear even in this thread that the userbase is divided on this. I think the site admins and mods are really wary about any moves that could cause a struggle session given how even the most seemingly obvious tweaks and course corrections have resulted in week-long fights.
I think the crux of the issue goes back to the Holocaust and it’s the specific imagery of burning the Star of David as being representative of burning Jews. I’m not sure how to fix that.
That’s so incredibly pathetic. They’re wasting all this time and energy on trying to get a niche shitposting site to have an emoji they really want instead of just verbalising how they feel about Israel, there’s no one stopping them. I feel bad now, imagine all the effort they’ve spent trying to push hexbear into get this emoji, instead of doing literally anything more productive with their time, they could’ve gone out and actually pushed for actual Palestinian causes, actually helped their community, even just tried to educate people on Israel and their crimes, instead they choose to accuse probably the most anti-Israel place on the internet of being pro-Israel because of a fucking emoji. Goddamn. I want them to touch grass so bad I’m going to go and touch grass the rest of the day.
Also, was that nazi account that showed up a little while back that demanded the same emoji also one of their alts? They’ve made a few similar arguments here. Because if so I think that alone is grounds for banning all their accounts, “cosplaying” as a nazi to “own the Israelis” is just disgusting, and I think would show their true intentions behind why they want this particular emoji so bad. I really hope that wasn’t them, I wouldn’t think they are that bad.
Zposter is infamous for having made literally dozens of ban evasion alts and for being entirely unable to fly under the radar with those alts. Circling back to the exact same pet issues every single time and behaving the exact same way.
Just a crank ultra who loves to be a contrarian and stir up struggle sessions.
Im sure it’s hard to remember but was that claim substantiated at all? Im doubting it and it would be hard to recall, but if so I’d like to hear what that argument would be.
Haha no worries. I and several other admins typically leave a lot of the less egregious comments up as receipts. If they’re not bad enough that they need to be removed and modlogged, it’s easier for people to see right there on the userpage.
I wish there was an indicator within posts/comments to indicate that a user has been banned. That would make it a lot easier to see.
idk someone else reminded me of it but I think it was something to do with China doing business with the US and Israel or something to that effect. It was nonsense.
the user was banned for their argument, so the consequences are worse than you stated. You are harassed, given death threats, lied about, smeared and banned.
communist web zone tho, supposedly. one that ostensibly supports various factions that do burn that flag all the time. So we are at best sending mixed messages here, undermining support for groups like Ansarallah and Hezbollah by enacting the same policies as the fascist zionist government for some reason. What type of message does this send to those on this webzone not from the burgerreich?
Yeah dude those groups and the wider world are totally paying close attention to this niche shitposting site. Get over yourself.
there’s arab users here including myself that feel extremely othered by this white pearl clutching. many palestinians came here thinking this was an english speaking pro-resistance site, and here we have this quibbling zionist shit still. We can’t escape it.
How the fuck is it white pearl clutching to correct your assertion that this isn’t about Jewishness but about white supremacy?
I am not condemning people irl actually burning the actual flag in protest. We also have the
emoji. You have had a long standing beef with the mods here I get it. But that seems much more to do with your toxic contrarianism than any actual principled stance. Now you are accusing me of “white pearl clutching” and frankly go fuck yourself I am done with you. There’s a reason you have been banned like 5 times before. IDK why they tolerate your repeated ban evasion.
I’ve been banned once, and I was unbanned. Have you ever considered there’s dozens of us?
No there isn’t, you always throw the exact same tantrum that eventually devolves into you posting pictures of people burning israeli flags because that’s the entirety of the issue as you can comprehend it. Fuck off and stop asking for the holocaust emojis.
I was banned when this all originally went down years ago, and I wasn’t the only one. And I don’t want to read anymore of your fucking nonsense, my grandparents were in the camps.
they tolerate him because they’re always correct just an asshole. they’re correct again here
edited for pronouns
Gassing yourself up like this on an alt account so obviously is incredibly pathetic.
I agree. I also notice that red A next to your username and feel like you could just put a stop to it.
Nobody is “always correct”. But you are right they’re an asshole and they are not right here. Zionism is not “Jewish exceptionalism” it is white supremacy. Claiming Zionism is Jewish exceptionalism is literally anti-Semitic.
How exactly is zionism not Jewish exceptionalism? Are white Christians also able to steal a house in the west bank?
Jewish exceptionalism is the invalidation of otherwise valid criticism based solely on the actor’s Jewishness. Jonathan Greenblatt literally said this week that the Jewish intermarriage rate is “worrying”, and has received zero backlash from media because… it is jewish exceptionalism.
The same way so many criticism of “israel” have been ignored for almost a century, because it is taboo for some reason to call out atrocities done by israel because they have successfully made themselves synonymous to Jewish identity to the “normal” person.
Also white is a construct. Italians were not white. Irish were not white. Jewish people are arguably part of the white population. It can be taken away at any point in time, but the same goes for any ethnic group.
Zionism can be both white supremacist and also Jewish exceptionalism.
Non white jews are certainly lower in the hierarchy, but it’d be absurd to say they’re not privileged over non-Jews in Israel
The consequences for violation are on a hilariously different scale. Here you might get a deleted by mod where if the government’s mods say you can’t it’s actually illegal, so there’s a big difference there. You can also reach the same policy for different reasons, im kinda ambivalent on the hexbear policy and with a flag like that no matter what move you make here plays into Israel’s hand, that’s why they made the flag be that way. I also dont think it’s all thst detrimental towards our support Ansrallah or Hezbollah in their current struggle cause they aren’t reading any of this and if they did they probably wouldnt like us, they arent leftist groups, they have our support cause they’re trying to stop a genocide. Its not like we see eye to eye with these guys in pretty much any other regard, they’re just what we have rn. Its pragmatic support. Which means you dont need to go full in. I would hope those not from the burgerreich would get this cause neither of those groups represent them and therefore we dont need to mirror their behavior. Im mostly against it cause it’ll just invite really annoying federated reply guys every time it’s used
they both are further left than you are
That simply isn’t true. Just because they oppose Israel and do things about it doesnt make them leftist by any measure. You are being absolutely absurd here.
They are banned now but this is the same user that once claimed that Russia is (not was but is) more socialist than China.
I do notice it always seems to be the most contrarian and “fuck you, I do what I want” sort of posters here who loudly demand a burning Israel flag the most. Like, it isn’t hard to express hate for Israel here, so I don’t know why they act like this is some big “censorship” thing or whatever, they accuse people of behaving like liberals, while behaving like liberals themselves, acting like the meaning of words isn’t important, just empty symbols and shibboleths.
It’s largely one user who has a fuckton of alts. The reason it seems like a lot of extremely edgy contrarian posters are demanding this is because it’s actually one extremely edgy contrarian poster demanding this while pretending to be many people.
That’s not to say there’s not a variety of people who have thoughts on this, but it’s pretty disingenuous of Zposter to constantly act as though they’re a bunch of different people and somehow representative of all arab users on the site.
Looking at the comments and upvotes on this post makes it pretty clear that more people are aligned with Z’s position than not, even if you discount the users who are allegedly their alts.
Or maybe we’re all their alts now idk
Nah, it’s definitely not that. No conspiracy theory nonsense lmao
Using votes as an indicator with discussions like this inside of a thread is definitely going to skew the results, and they’re never going to be cleanly 1:1 representative of the actual thoughts of the userbase.
I’m not really sure how to solve divisive things like this because invariably, whatever decision gets made (or even just the act of opening things to a vote) always results in a struggle session. This shit isn’t constructive and I think the actual root of the issue is that the imagery we have is backing us into a corner with this. Either we have a Holocaust emoji or we have to abstract anti-Israeli sentiment like this and neither of those are really good options.
E: An actual discussion post on the subject is forthcoming. (hex)Bear with us while we’re getting stuff set up
Please read my comment above
I don’t think I’ve interacted with him before this but I do think it’s disingenuous to say he isn’t a representative of what most arabs on this site think.
“israel” has been bombing the entire region for almost a century at this point, all while waving that flag.
Maybe it doesn’t make sense to a westerner, but yes that flag is literally the same as the nazi flag in west asia.
Like your partner, I don’t feel comfortable with wearing or showing off anything with the Star of David anymore.
It’s pretty clear even in this thread that the userbase is divided on this. I think the site admins and mods are really wary about any moves that could cause a struggle session given how even the most seemingly obvious tweaks and course corrections have resulted in week-long fights.
I think the crux of the issue goes back to the Holocaust and it’s the specific imagery of burning the Star of David as being representative of burning Jews. I’m not sure how to fix that.
That’s so incredibly pathetic. They’re wasting all this time and energy on trying to get a niche shitposting site to have an emoji they really want instead of just verbalising how they feel about Israel, there’s no one stopping them. I feel bad now, imagine all the effort they’ve spent trying to push hexbear into get this emoji, instead of doing literally anything more productive with their time, they could’ve gone out and actually pushed for actual Palestinian causes, actually helped their community, even just tried to educate people on Israel and their crimes, instead they choose to accuse probably the most anti-Israel place on the internet of being pro-Israel because of a fucking emoji. Goddamn. I want them to touch grass so bad I’m going to go and touch grass the rest of the day.
Also, was that nazi account that showed up a little while back that demanded the same emoji also one of their alts? They’ve made a few similar arguments here. Because if so I think that alone is grounds for banning all their accounts, “cosplaying” as a nazi to “own the Israelis” is just disgusting, and I think would show their true intentions behind why they want this particular emoji so bad. I really hope that wasn’t them, I wouldn’t think they are that bad.
(Thread here, so you know what I’m talking about): https://hexbear.net/post/5761214
Zposter is infamous for having made literally dozens of ban evasion alts and for being entirely unable to fly under the radar with those alts. Circling back to the exact same pet issues every single time and behaving the exact same way.
Just a crank ultra who loves to be a contrarian and stir up struggle sessions.
literally just lying and making shit up. Just like when you lied about the death threats you made
Im sure it’s hard to remember but was that claim substantiated at all? Im doubting it and it would be hard to recall, but if so I’d like to hear what that argument would be.
It was in fact not substantiated. Just yet another total ass-pull contrarian take.
Darn. That isn’t even fun. BTW didn’t know how bans affected posting so sorry for saying you weren’t doing your job
Haha no worries. I and several other admins typically leave a lot of the less egregious comments up as receipts. If they’re not bad enough that they need to be removed and modlogged, it’s easier for people to see right there on the userpage.
I wish there was an indicator within posts/comments to indicate that a user has been banned. That would make it a lot easier to see.
idk someone else reminded me of it but I think it was something to do with China doing business with the US and Israel or something to that effect. It was nonsense.
I figured I was looking for something that wasn’t there but figured if there was anything it’d be funny
the user was banned for their argument, so the consequences are worse than you stated. You are harassed, given death threats, lied about, smeared and banned.