“I can say that he has been very cooperative,” Cox continued, possibly misgendering the roommate. “This partner has been incredibly cooperative, had no idea that this was happening and is working with investigators right now.”
This has to be intentional. Shitting in one hand calling it “civility” then in the other lobbing a grenade of transphobia. Love it.
Why was it important to say that the roommate was a transgender who was transitioning from male to female in the first place? Why not just say that he had a roommate and they are cooperating with the FBI to solve the issue? Why specifically add a part that should be irrelevant?
Unless ofcourse they have an agenda and want to lead the discourse in a certain direction.
Insane that the gender identity of a roommate/romantic partner is more important than the actual motive. They are sooo desperate.
Same reason they said the shooter supported trans people because “TRN” was on the bullet casings.
They want to demonise trans people.
Does hexbear not know about groyper culture? From what I’ve read, there are quite a few trans people who are firmly in the alt right. Apparently, incels have an obsession with fem boys and even nick fuentes has engaged in erotic behavior.
Part of me believes that this shit is way too nuanced for the MSM to report on accurately. Seems like it’s a wash and again, people are going to believe whatever confirms their beliefs
It’s too nuanced and straight up bizarre even for people who are lgbtq unless they’re very far into rabbit holes and obscure online subcultures. Reactionary and nazi femboys specifically hasn’t been a rare thing for years, they seem (especially to cishets) like they’d overlap with trans women but that’s not really the case. They’re far closer to very misogynistic incels culturally than they are to tg and it’s a complicated phenomenon but the thing with some people being into “men in uniforms” etc and other lowkey psychopaths because supposedly they’re more macho and masculine is more well known and understood. It can be as stupid and shallow as that but disguised by tons of esoteric memery and terminally online slang. Maybe some pretense of ideology but it’s just confused shit used as vibes and aesthetics. They still network and parrot far right crap though so functionally there’s no real difference.
Transmedicalist binary trans people can also be comedically conservative and reactionary but we also don’t talk about that openly.
I honestly think that there’s an above average chance he’s a groyper and the MSM and FBI just don’t understand these Nazi freaks can be chasers.
The sexual liberalism merged with fash really is something that MSM/liberals are unprepared for.
They absolutely know and that’s why they’re trying to find a way to make that angle fit.
They are not misunderstanding anything here. They’re trying to manufacture consent for a trans genocide the same way they’ve been manufacturing consent for ethnic/religious xenophobia and it’s actually not working as well so they’re having to shove it into the public consciousness even harder to make it work.
This is about divide and conquer and there’s no benefit to targeting conservative white boys (their in-group) so of course they’re ignoring that evidence.
The (now deleted) reddit account that’s being used to “confirm” that the roommate is trans belonged to some far-right truscum 4chan poster in Utah who liked cryptocurrency and Jordan Peterson, so unless somehow the cishet white boy cop brat who used groyper memes and targeted someone only groypers gave a shit about somehow simultaneously had better politics than his trans roommate/landlord but also not better enough politics to understand why throwing your life away to remove a literal nobody grifter is a bad move, the safe bet is they were both far-right 4chan addicted gamer chuds regardless of their relationship.
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The noticed a bulge OwO in its actual context is straight up a groyper meme
I don’t believe this is true. At worst it’s ironic and anti-furry. You could make that claim about the 2nd and the 3rd bullet, though, and even there it’s intentionally pretty dubious. They’re all floating signifiers.
Furries have reclaimed this?
AFAIK yeah, “OwO” is not really tied to its original pejorative connotation.
Yes, but the casing didn’t just say “OwO”.
What is it’s “Actual context” then? Because that meme was originally used to make fun of furries, and then was subsequently reclaimed by said furries. All before Groypers were ever even a thing
Still not a Groyper meme. Groypers aren’t just “young internet chuds” They’re a specific breed of young internet chud who follow Nick Fuentes. Words, in fact, mean things.
groypers love internet chud band kid memes. also some of the bullets were directly groyper memes. nick fuentes already did the “i disavow” meme. he knows it’s him
They are pushing “he was a leftist” so hard. But I doubt it
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Extremely irony poisoned ones may
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“The family member also stated Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate.”
the reporting is unclear
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It’s not just hey fascist, the whole phrase is 100% a helldivers 2 meme about the eagle 500kg bomb. He even added the arrows.
we’re gonna find out anyway.
I think there’s a chance we won’t. Feds might just completely cover up any evidence that actually narrows down his ideology if they don’t like it; and I don’t think it’ll be necessary for them to do that because at this point it’s looking like this guy doesn’t have an ideology that we can parse. It’ll just be reading tea leaves.
im now more convinced that he was just nihlistic and terminally online (so still a right winger lol)
Neither of those things happened though. See what I mean? You’re misconstruing two separate events, one based on memes and the other based on conversations from a family member
He could still be a groyper but hated kirk because he fell in love with his trans roommate and “made a exception for her”, he is still quite young. Usually most people arent very coherent in their ideology anyway.
Hang on, I thought the “kirk’s assassin’s roommate was trans” stuff was all speculative based on one reddit post or something.
i’m probably just not going to believe the media or a public figure on this person’s gender identity unless it comes from an interview or public statement.
Yeah, why the hell are so many people here just assuming that the claim that this person is trans is true?
Literally it is misgendering to insist that someone is trans when they haven’t come out and said so themselves, like lol people on here trying so hard they’re circling back around into problematic.
it’s weird. we don’t egg-jacket people for good reason, some of that logic applies to this but some people are just running with it
i’m probably just not going to believe the media or a public figure
on this person’s gender identity unless it comes from an interview or public statement.
From Irish Times
it’s so wild how desperate they are to make it about anything other than cis white right wing men being garbage. even if his room mate/partner were trans, the fuck does that have to do with anything? they aren’t the one who shot someone. that’s like saying “ted bundy’s mom was a woman so ALL FEMOIDS ARE TO BLAME”
but you see if he was dating a trans person that means he can’t be a conservative because all conservatives hate trans people. got’em.
They’re already saying he was indoctrinated by woke leftist ideology because he went to college for 3 months
we spread the gommunism particles by simply existing, obviously
We still don’t know if this person is actually trans or not, do we?
old post. unsure if still accurate
no, and there’s pretty good evidence they aren’t. “Lancelotte”, the alleged account of this roommate has a post joking about an anime filter turning them into a girl with the description saying something along the lines of “this shit doesn’t know what it’s looking at”, which coincidentally is the post the stock image of this roommate comes from
it is complete and utter wholesale fabrication of evidence and facts to me.
What do you think about the reddit account u/lancelott3 and their participation in trans subreddits + mentioning they’re from Utah, though?
this is news to me I found after making this comment, and maybe there is some link there. i still think this focus on the roommate instead of the guy who shot someone is a way to manufacture consent to make it legal to harm trans people
So far no not really just the media kind of beating around the bush that she is or isn’t trans.
The media hasn’t reported on this yet afaik, and hopefully they won’t, but people found her reddit account and she’s posted on r/4tran4 and r/TransDIY. it’s very worrying
They also posted in the jordan peterson sub, anarcho capitalism, loveforlandslords, crypto subs, and 4chan. Might have been one of those blaire white type trans people.
4tran reddit subs are equivalent to 4chan’s lgbt board aka tttt and the people there make Blaire White look like a revolutionary. Didn’t notice loveforlandlords but sounds funny considering that some places reported that Tyler either owns the appartment or sublets it to at least two other people and rakes in 900 dollars a month. He may not even live with them permanently but “trans roommate lover” is more useful to the chud narrative.
r/4tran4 was not a conservative subreddit. Full of self-loathing and edgy gallows humor memes, but not politically conservative at all.
The 4tran splinters and tttt itself aren’t conventionally Evangelical conservative or coherently political but they’re pretty much direct translations of incel and blackpill for trans. That self loathing you’re talking about is usually obsessing over minor physical details to the point of craniometry and very incely notions of what cis humans are supposed to look like, inventing brand new slurs for themselves and everyone else, adopting all sorts of terf ideas, Blanchardism etc. Within the greater trans context this isn’t the most left adjacent area, it’s the 4chan side of it.
But again, we don’t have any way to be sure that this is the same person
How could they possibly be different?
What proof is this based of off?
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Twiggs’s TikTok account (contains their real face, verified by media) has a video showing their Rocket League username to be “Lancelotte” (unique spelling)
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Their Instagram (same proof as above) mentions their hobby of fishing
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A Steam account was found which used to have Lancelotte as one of its past usernames, and which also had its Real Name field changed from Lance to Luna (very strongly indicating that they’re trans); it also has the killer’s Steam account on its Friends list
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Then the Reddit account u/lancelott3 was found, and the owner of this account at one point claimed to live in Utah roughly 20 minutes from the Arizona border, which matches with Tyler’s and Twiggs’s location of Washington, Utah; this account has also posted about fishing, and of course on trans subreddits
I saw that Reddit account and I really didn’t see anything that clearly proved they were trans. There was a post in /r/trans calling OP an asshole about something they did and I found another post where eggs were mentioned, but again nothing clearly stating they were trans. Egg perhaps? I just would normally expect an out trans person to be more obvious about it on their online accounts, but it’s possible they weren’t or aren’t out yet.
But anyways, I still think it’s irrelevant. I don’t see how the roommate being trans means that trans people are responsible for the shooting.
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it’s not like the roommate was out publicly though. if I were in her position I would still want the press and courts to he/him me because i wasn’t ready to socially transition at that stage, and obviously she wasn’t either, because she had seemingly only told her friends
she literally did nothing wrong but her dickhead roommate/alleged partner did a shooting and now she’s being outed on fox news
We should probably hold off on assigning pronouns to this person before we actually know for sure what they identify as.
So far all we have is very inconclusive.
I was thinking about this last night. Did Tyler do it because he thought he was helping his friend? If so this is a great reason why you don’t do adventurism. You’re not a superhero, you’re not helping. Lana (I think that’s the name she wanted to use) was already going through a lot with her family. They were all cultist Mormons trying to exercise the demons out of her. She was trying to get away and avoid that life. She found some respite online and with people who accepted her. Now she’s likely going to end up being in heavy shit through no choice of her own. Because Tyler wanted to be a hero. She was always in danger, it being Utah, but now she is in more danger.
When people have feelings like they want to do something, they need to be able to talk about it. Tyler needed to go to someone who wasn’t also a 20-year old with a martyr complex.
I really hope he did it for his own sake. It could be disastrous if he was on some Jodie Foster shit
she literally did nothing wrong
Allegedly snitching to the cops about someone allegedly shooting an unrepentant Nazi is collaborator behavior if accurate. It doesn’t justify the bigotry they’re being subjected to, but they did (allegedly) willingly put their neck in the jaws of a wild animal in the hope that it would eat their roommate.
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Where do you draw the line between not talking to the cops and giving the cops every single bit of information they ask for?
You do cross the line into collaborating with the cops at some point or another, that is a given. The question here is where you draw that line. I doubt many people have really thought about it or asked themselves where that line is.
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Ok so, this is going to sound extremely blunt but it sounds like your position is actually that you’re totally ok with collaborating with cops against someone who kills a fascist because other fascists are going to be mad about it involving a specific minority and that will harm other members of the minority?
So like, let’s say we’re in the 1920s/30s - if someone with connection to a jewish person kills a nazi and that would cause a crackdown against jews by other nazis, is it acceptable for people to collaborate with those in charge to catch this nazi killer? At what quantity of collaboration do these jews start getting viewed as kapos?
I’m not sure if “he’s gonna get the death sentence anyway” matters as the roommate was collaborating with police before the killer was arrested.
This is all with the assumption that the other party wasn’t aware of what’s happening. Yes, if you’re going to be a savior of marginalized people, don’t put those people in the situation where they’re having to lie to the cops unless they’re in on it and okay with doing so.
You don’t have to lie. Just become temporarily very forgetful.
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I also don’t agree with the notion you seem to have that killing Kirk was a good idea.
I have made no value judgement in any of the above replies regarding the event.
A fascist was shot. A person is collaborating with the cops to catch the shooter of the fascist.
Those are just the facts. I haven’t given my own opinion at all, I just wanted to do an exercise because I suspect everyone has a different line for where it becomes ok vs not ok and I think causes many problems.
My personal take is that I think no amount of collaboration is acceptable. I think people should shut the fuck up. You saw nothing. You say nothing. You do nothing. You give the absolute fucking minimum to cover your own ass and that’s it. Any tolerance of collaboration - any amount of leeway given - will result in everyone judging that their own personal situation makes it acceptable to give information. Is this hardnosed? Fuck yes it is. It’s about as hardnosed as it was in Ireland during the Troubles where you say one fucking word out of line and you’ll have some nice IRA men visiting your house for a beating. Why is it necessary to be this firm about it? Because any inch given will result in people collaborating. So not even one single inch should be given.
That’s my personal position. I don’t think there’s any room to allow people to judge on a case by case basis.
Was killing Kirk a bad idea? Yeah it probably was. Does it change the fact people should shut the fuck up? Not for me.
They weren’t implicated or involved until they choose to involve themselves by snitching to the police. The state has never required justification to oppress trans people, and there is no amount of collaboration with law enforcement that will ever make trans people more safe. Snitching to the police has not made this person, or trans people generally, more safe or less harassed by the state.
It’s not murder if you kill a Nazi. Murder is when you wrongfully kill someone.
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I have ideas for how to address judges who defend Nazis but I don’t think you’d like them.
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The reality the rest of you live in is bleak as hell so I’m honestly fine with that.
Also that’s leaning dangerously close to sanism. You are aware of that?
wtf is he talking about:
“I can confirm that. I know that has been reported and that the FBI has confirmed that as well, that the roommate was a romantic partner, a male transitioning to female,” Cox said.
“I can say that he has been very cooperative,” Cox continued, possibly misgendering the roommate. “This partner has been incredibly cooperative, had no idea that this was happening and is working with investigators right now.”
On NBC, Cox added that the roommate “was shocked when they found out about it.”
But when Bash again brought up whether the two were romantically involved, the governor seemed to say that is not confirmed yet: “We’re trying to figure it out. I know everybody wants to know exactly why and point the finger, and I totally get that. I do, too.”
So it’s confirmed and then it’s not?
Purposefully muddying the waters to squeeze whatever transphobic panic he can from this event. Must be eating him up not to be able to pin the killing on a trans person so this is the next best thing for him.
It appears to me that the governor of Utah is getting information about this not from the FBI but mostly from the same right wing bullshit propaganda we’re trying to dissect.
Crowder was subpoenaed because he leaked information given to him by ATF hours before anyone else. Feds have been feeding info to right wing “”“”“”“journalists”“”“”“”". Then it gets onto twitter and 4chan as a rumor. Then it gets picked up as a rumor by mainstream sources.
Remember they also had Tyler in custody like 10-12 hours before his name leaked. The feds were trying to get ahead of this the whole time. They seem to be looping in Cox on a need-to-know basis which is what’s been leaking to right wing media.
They really really really really want to tell everyone what they want to hear, that it’s the trans person’s fault.
They’ll claim the trans person hypnotized the shooter into doing it if they must.
im sure its absolutely nothing and theyre just intentionally saying confusing stuff so conservatives can run with it and confidently lie
If this is true, then I’m guessing the shooter being brought up in a repressive conservative chud family, there was a lot of guilt, shame, and abuse that was instilled in them from an early age regarding human sexuality. When they became involved with a trans roommate it probably contributed to them deciding to throw their life away.
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