Denuvo won’t be an issue forever. AI will be able to handle it easily within a decade. Hell, AI will be able to write emulators for the PS8 by the time the PS8 comes out.
Confidently incorrect redditor. I’m sure LLMs will be able to vibes code away a closed source system with next to zero documentation by design, that uses low-level machine code, several layers of encryption, and the world’s foremost obfuscation made by the people who used to crack them. Not to mention that people like Empress have a vested financial interest in NOT disclosing their evasion methods.
Pirates really annoy me with their “we’ll always find a way, we’ll always come back stronger” ignorant stance to any set-back. They see states passing laws requiring all ISPs and cloudflare and VPNs to block piracy sites on demand within 10 minutes notice and think there is some Hollywood group of plucky 90s anarcho hackers just rubbing their hands with glee at taking on such a challenge. Total idealist mindset. Literally the same tech-bro mindset that says do nothing about climate change because AI or some other magic technology will solve it for us so we can just rest on our ass because the arc of good things is long but bends towards us always winning so we don’t need to change our habits or be worried.
Denuvo has likely won. You’d need a genuine AI super-intelligence to un-denuvo things and if they ever come up with one the bourgeoisie and empire are going to slap human review on that thing IF they even sell the masses access at all so fast your head will spin because it’s a weapon for them, a weapon to be used against workers not one for the workers to use. And anyways it would probably be a $5000/month fee minimum 6 month subscription to it because it would no longer be a hype thing needing juicing and propaganda but a reality they could replace workers with and use to hack and dominate the enemies of the west. Heck $5000 is change compared to the value such a thing would bring in replacing a couple workers of the skill needed to crack this thing so probably $10-25k a month minimum. We’d have larger problems if that happened like eating and paying rent so it wouldn’t be a good thing.
Unless Russia for some reason decides economic warfare of cracking western games is somehow a national priority and siccs their national hacking team on it or some other top tier state actor in that field like Iran, DPRK, China. None of which have any reason to make western games and their attendant propaganda for the west any easier to access by people within and without the west. That’s about the only other option I could see of sufficient strength to seriously challenge denuvo.
The reality is the open web is slowly being murdered and in the open by these laws and changes and soon the only place to pirate content at all will likely be over heavily attacked hidden networks like l2p that have a high bar to clear to find this stuff and private trackers. Rarbg still hasn’t been replaced, its alleged possible replacement the torrentgalaxy kept suffering downtime and is now completely dead. The scene for torrenting is weaker than it has been in many years with only leetx, semi-private rutracker, and a few rehosters of the former’s content (little more than mirrors trying to get ad bucks) still around of any worth. Streaming sites are regularly hammered by take-downs and shit quality anyways. Game hosting sites that aren’t malware infested regularly get the hammer.
Empress if they crack denuvo at all going forward will probably do one every 4-5 years just to keep their cult going and only if necessary. They’ve effectively thrown in the towel.
Also important to note that the public will, eventually, lose access to ChatGPT and other LLM platforms as it exists now. Everyone is just beta testing it for these AI companies. When it actually works, consistently, they’ll end all public facing services and it will be strictly B2B. That means the only access you have to generative AI will be through Microsoft, Apple, Google, Facebook, etc. Then they can just block usage violations. Therefore no “Hey chatgpt, write me a program to crack games”.
You might have some independent access to LLMs you can run locally, but they will be outdated and not as well trained. The big guys will also use AI to keep those options out of search results and make sure they’re removed during security scans of your computer. B2B is simply a way more profitable model for software than selling you a $20 subscription for a chat bot.
I don’t think this is entirely accurate. Facebook open sourced llama specifically to counteract this, as slop generation is complementary to their primary good, which is ads. Unlike Google and MS, their only b2b sales channel is ads.
That wedge + China will keep the slop generators open for a while.
what exactly would the business be using the chat bots to do with one another?
xAI, OpenAI, Google, and Meta would sell different narrow and general AI packages as business solutions. It runs your customer service, payroll, scheduling, marketing, etc. It would replace existing software solutions and employees. Functionality would be rented to businesses. If you’re developing a mobile app and you need to use AI for some feature, you rent it from one of the big guys.
This is pretty much the same SaaS model that’s been used for years. This already happens with internet, servers, cloud storage, etc. It will be AI as a service. What used to happen was that every company had their own servers or data center. Renting that stuff became a new business because 1) Rent-seeking is one of the fundamental ways to make money under capitalism 2)Companies don’t want to build and maintain their own servers. If you set up your own server and install Windows, Microsoft only covers the software. If your server breaks or needs work, you have to hire a third party to fix it. If you rent cloud storage from Microsoft, they have to cover everything. This results in more uptime and less maintenance cost for the company.
As all this AI stuff gets better and becomes more ubiquitous, businesses aren’t going to want to build and maintain their own models. They will want to rent them just like servers. The AI company will handle all training data and everything. It’s going to skip the “setting up your own server” phase that businesses went through in the 70s-10s. It’ll go straight from this new thing to SaaS. It already has in a lot of cases.
I don’t take the subscriptions at face value. I think a large part of letting people buy access is to generate a little revenue for investors but also for testing. They need a lot of people to stress test these things and find all the problems. The developers can’t work in isolation, they need to see how people react to their ideas. So what we have is actually an unfinished product being sold for the privilege of testing it. Once it’s finished enough, they won’t need as much testing. By that point, the opportunity of selling AI to other businesses and governments will far outweigh letting some lonely person do pillow talk.
Speaking of, think about Grok companion. They’re already developing an independent service for AI companionship. When that product is fully developed, they will make more money selling it independently of Grok itself. So it wouldn’t be included in your Grok subscription. Grok will just be a part of other products like cars, your fridge, twitter, etc. Therefore there is no need for a Grok subscription. Other companies will do this too, but probably in a more “classy” way. It’s only a matter of time before the current subscription tiers are changed and then eliminated completely.
I hate to say it, but pirates (read, me) are often lazy as hell, and entitled. It’s one thing to assume “Oh, someone else will do it.” It’s quite another to actually put in the work to circumvent Denuvo.
Not to mention I don’t think Empress has even made a release since summer 2023.
Just checked her Telegram channel and her most recent post is some sort of announcement of a “Booty Religion” that will “end all war and conflict” through lust. There’s an extremely low quality poem on there as well.
If you didn’t know already, she is a transphobe and anti-gay reactionary.
Dat ass so fine it caused world peace
Helen of Tory could never
Empress’ entire existence is a fucking trip. Nothing to say about this thread, but I’m just reminded of that S-tier rabbit hole every time someone mentions her.
“AI currently makes incorrect guesses, yes, but in the future it will guess correctly”
“in the future we will have faster than light cars”
“in the future we will have foldable omnipotent phones”
in the future we will have the same amount of imagination as right now
these people are completely ignorant they have no idea how either code or AI works
My cousin who is a musk fanboy (literally calls him king) thinks grok is now pushing out novel information. This is the world we live in
One I love how tech geeks think we can make it to a fucking PS8 on the timeline given how things are going so far in the world (“what rare earth minerals!? I don’t need to care about how my toys are made!!”), but second the continued religious belief that AI under capital will in anyway be beneficial to us proles and allow us to emulate game systems or crack DRM is laughable. Instead Nintendo will create a AI godhead lawyer that speaks in the voice of Mario as it methodically sends your game pirating ass to an indentured copper mine to serve out your billion dollar fine.
How recent is this? I remember when ChatGPT was just becoming a thing and saw someone commenting “GTA6 will have NPC with ChatGPT AI that acts like real people and you can talk to them directly”.
I was hoping as people get to know how it works more, they’d stop hallucinating about its capabilities.
I remember unreal engine doing a demo for talking AI npcs last year and the novelty wore off quick this thing but I guess they probably imagined something grand matrix style.
The comment? Two months ago lmao.
Yes I’ll use an LLM on a poisoned context window for a system where one mistake will silently fail. There are no more than 1,000 people who know how denuvo works, and there’s no documentation whatsoever. I’ve used LLMs on somewhat niche libraries with ~8,000 users and pheromonal documentation, and it only worked after a shit ton of RAG and duct tape. This will absolutely work and is a brilliant idea from someone who understands machine learning, obfuscation, DRM, and highly classified software.
My chosen method of bypassing Denuvo is choosing any of the tens of thousands of games out there to play.
There’s so many data about cracking Denuvo to train the IA in crack this shit, right?
I honestly believe that to get the level of specialized machine code knowledge one would need for cracking Denuvo, you would have to devote a decade to studying it on your own. That or Empress would have to take on an apprentice. And she (or they if she is multiple people) is way too much of a narcissist and misanthrope to EVER do that.
To my (limited) understanding, the way that Denuvo obfuscates the machine code will poison the context window of an LLM. If the context window is full of nonsense that makes it seem like the DRM works one way but it works another way in practice, the LLM will weigh the incorrect and correct solutions equally and produce an incorrect solution. Obviously, I don’t know how Denuvo works because nobody outside of Irdeto does at this point, but this is what Empress said and it’s how peer software like Zimperium works.
