No link? :lib:
added the link to the OP https://hexbear.net/post/7205854
Op on there has an ICQ icon avatar.
I wonder if they know ICQ was created by unit 8200
It really just comes off as 100% online-thought when I see anyone talking about tankies, I’ve never heard someone say it IRL. When I got more specific knowledge about socialism growing up I started calling myself an anarchist, and then when actually engaging in activity with leftists I found the MLs and ‘tankies’
were more serious(revising this because the anarchists I’ve known irl are plenty serious and do good work like help feed people with impromptu kitchens etc) and had a more rigorous ideology that truly supported anti-imperialist action and groups. I think whatever type of leftist you are we need to start with dismantling the current state, so at this stage it just seems like a waste of energy to worry about whether the other leftsts are too left or not left enough, as long as they aren’t libs.Anyone calling out ‘tankies’ really needs to evaluate their positions and whether or not they are unconsciously parroting the imperialist’s view of ‘authoritarian socialists’.
(revising this because the anarchists I’ve known irl are plenty serious and do good work like help feed people with impromptu kitchens etc)
Those Actually Existing Anarchists are also called “tankies” by anarkiddies, because it is authoritarian to make them feel bad about their lack of action in the real world.
I had a DSA member tell me to watch out for tankies irl. Many of them might know better than to say it out loud, but plenty of real organizers believe tankies exist and need to be purged
It doesn’t help that the tankies they spend so much time raging about are 10x funnier than them.
DSA told me they coordinated with the police for all of their protests as if it was a good thing lol
Each chapter functions differently
true, the lack of consistency and cohesive principles is baked into it
What even is this comment
The DSA isn’t demcent, by design, so there’s more infighting and variance between chapters than demcent orgs.
Correct. I would even go further to say there is not even a shared goal or purpose, so organizing that way leads to infighting and a lack of cohesion inevitably.
It really is far out seeing extremely online arch-liberals explain to normies what a “Tankie” is by citing the Wikipedia article and talking about fucking 1956 Hungary like anybody GIVES A SHIT about the Hungary today, let alone 70 years ago lmao.
like anybody GIVES A SHIT about the Hungary today, let alone 70 years ago lmao.
They do seem to hate it for not getting on the Ukraine bandwagon
5/10 see me after next sectarianism class
My wife and I saw you from across the room and thought you were an undialectical idealist.
I realized a while ago the only reason these kids constantly (try to) debunk On Authority is because it’s the shortest piece on anarchism they can find by a reputable Marxist and they will be damned before they read anything longer than a few pages.
Unfortunately a lot of anarchists do read anarchist lit which just affirms all their positions but unlike materialist works, doesn’t require any evidence for the reader to accept it. The vibes and validation is all they need to say “see I have read and what I read says you are wrong”
A ton of the most popular anarchist lit, which is right wing and of the objectivist school such as The Problem of Political Authority, isn’t read by either socialists or left wing anarchists. I don’t think it’s neccesarily true that anarchist lit is unified enough to re-affirm a unified position. I do however think that anarchists hate reading longer works critiquing anarchism because many of them are written by people like Stalin, who as we all know killed every human being on earth multiple times and therefore his books on dialectical materialism and Socialism or Anarchism are ontologically invalid. That such criticisms of personal character also apply to their own authors is invalid because the only crime worse than causing harm is Possessing Power which, as is unfalsifiable, mutates the human spirit and corrupts in ways that make all existing revolutionary efforts that aren’t anarchist invalid.
Imagine thinking “on authority” is actually a good argument. The worst drivel ever written. Deeply unserious…
Sure. Here’s a video you may find interesting. It seems like in this particular case, most of the criticisms of the work assume it’s either talking about a different kind of anarchist than it may be talking about, or is agreeing with the work. https://youtu.be/_pRnSPzYGAU
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Maybe if I act smug enough, no one will notice that I haven’t actually read the work that I have been trained to hate.
Maybe if I act smug enough, no one will notice that I haven’t actually understood the book that I have been trained to love.
Have you actually read it, and if so, what are your actual thoughts on it? If it is genuinely the “worst drivel ever written” it should be easy to show us all why that is.
And even if we don’t listen to you, at least passive observers in this thread will be able to see you making cogent and interesting arguments and think your position has merit. Declaring something is bad while also showing that you don’t seem to have actually read it just makes you come across to people as smug and ignorant. And saying “no u” when called out on this just makes you look worse, don’t you want to put us dumb tankies in our place by showing us that you know what you’re talking about and we don’t?
I will just refer you to my other comment: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/23476457
Ok, since you aren’t interested in debate, we don’t need to do anything like that. That’s fine, I don’t really want to debate this topic either.
It is a shame that when I ask about your thoughts about this work, your response is to provide someone else’s thoughts on it. You’re really not beating any allegations that you haven’t actually read it and that you aren’t just hating on it because others have told you to do so.
Seriously, it’s extremely short. It’s barely over a thousand words. If you’ve read through this entire comment thread you’ve probably read more than this entire work. I’m not asking you to agree with me or make any sort of big life change or anything, but please, just read it and form your own opinions, you don’t need to share them if you don’t want to, but I do want you to think for yourself and make up your own mind. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm
EDIT: Holy shit, this guy actually ran away to his own instance to cry about the evil tankies talking about a fucking thousand word pamphlet he’s too scared to read and form his own opinion on. I think this might actually be the most pathetic loser on the fedverse. Also I recognise them now, they’re the same loser who loves abusing the idea of disengaging when they realise they’re showing their whole ass in a discussion. So not just a loser, but also toxic and abusing a system designed to help people with triggers and mental health issues too!
It’s very funny and on brand that that loser is strutting around in the instance they ban all dissent in proclaiming how much they owned you, where as here where the actual discussion happened they instantly had to resort to abusing the disengage rule. What more can you expect from an “anarchist” that regularly defends outright Nazis.
/disengage
I haven’t seen a good refutation of it, to be honest. It’s certainly short, and thus generally simplistic, but it does help understand why authority itself is not something that is intrinsically bad. Calling it “the worst drivel ever written” is a clear stretch, even as an exaggeration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVBAfldc7SU
You’re not seriously looking. And no I’m not going to further debate after
I’ve seen Anark’s video, and I maintain that I still haven’t seen a good refutation of On Authority. You don’t have to debate me or anything, but attacking people for thinking it has some good points and then dipping on the first pushback, asserting that I must not be aware of the standard arguments against it because I disagree with you is a bit silly. It’s like you forget that I used to be an anarchist, and thus had a process where I regularly viewed anarchist critique of Marxism before becoming a Marxist-Leninist (and still check out critique from time to time).
Oh well, happy New Year!
Happy new year too. You can maintain all you want, but nobody owes you a debate.
Lol, you absolute coward: running away to get your Nazi sycophants to fluff your wounded ego for you.
It’s fascinating that in response to me pointing out they can only criticize short works is to continue criticizing short works, which is fine, but interesting.
Sure, I’m not pressing you for one. Have a good one.
Edit: Seriously? This is me “tripling down,” because I disagree with the video you linked and refused to elaborate on? I’m not asking for a debate, just for you to act more reasonably. Instead, you run off and badmouth be behind my back. This is ridiculous.
How much you wanna bet deceptichum @ quokk.a or w/e is a chud just stirring shit and db0 is too much of a loser to notice
I get the not owing a debate but damn that’s embarrassing to do. And completely expected at this point
In b4 the disengage and banning you from his instance because you called him out.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Child brain makes child meme.
Someday they will actually read theory and understand why Marxism is called a science. Whereas Anarchism is just controlled opposition by the ruling class.
No moves have been made on that chessboard
imma be real, it’s just amusing to me, like iphone and android wars or other stans.
That’s the healthy response. Getting mad about what a handful of kids say online in a niche meme forum with no bearing on reality is unhealthy.
I still get a little annoyed, so I’m not there yet, but I’m making progress.
Or Linux distro wars
Ah, the OP checks out. Soyjack memes and using the fact that they self-describe as an anarchist as an excuse to support literally anything anti-Marxist (regardless of truth) are their bread and butter.
Wreckers gonna wreck.
Db0 really outdoing my assessment as a shitlib shithole today
Just when thought couldn’t top it in their disengage method
Ever since he got started getting called a tankie by goat and the other crypto fash at .world and shitjustworks he’s been troubling down on left punching hysteria to try to convince them hes still one of the good ones.
I meant the entire instance but yeah it looks like the admin needs to take a step back and decide “do i really prefer being a fascist over being a dreaded tankie”
The instant is a mixed bag, but having the lead admin going on a left punching crusade to placate the chuds at MWoG is definitely pulling it in the wrong direction.
https://hexbear.net/comment/6789960
They just keep getting worse
Yeah there feels like there is an anti-tankie aktion going on in the fediverse this week. Maybe it’s always like that and I just stay cozy over here.
It’s always like this…
I pushed that Sanctus guy and got a “i was just joking!” And it’s like you could have fooled me, jokes are funny
lmao translation: they have no argument or points to back up their post so now its “just a joke”.
saw this a couple hours ago and immediately hit “local” on the main view. Easily the dumbest shit I’ve seen since we federalized.
further proof that the nazi instance has no value and should be defederated
Nice argument, unfortunately I have already depicted you as the chess-played soy wojak dweeb.
Me, an intellectual Marxist Leninist: uhhhh anarchists dress funny and they smell bad uhhhhhhhhh
i might dress funny but i don’t smell THAT bad
THAT is doing a lot of work here
They should take a shower
Fascist!
Me
no further analysis needed
