Here was the transphobic content I was “defending":
But seriously, you guys (cause you’re 95℅ guys lets be honest), arent half as intelligent as you think you are.
“You guys” meant Hexbear. The full context is a little longer and stupider than that (And the user’s comment I was allegedly defending was actually way-out-of pocket aside from the “you guys” part. It was encouraging Hexbear users to commit suicide, but just in a way that had nothing to do with transphobia as far as I can tell.) Anyway that was the “transphobic” part. I suspect that the actual issue was me being extensively rude to Cowbee, and they are lying about what the real issue is and calling things “transphobia” as they often do.
In any case. To quote @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com: “In all honestly it reads to me you’re more upset people are not sufficiently polite in disagreement. Anarchists can and will be rude … Nobody is under any onus to remain polite to spare your feelings”
Full context: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/55802900
I cannot for the life of me imagine why some people are so obsessive about me. I live rent-free in their heads, like a boogieman. I also don’t recommend wasting your time looking into this anymore, y’all have way better uses of time, but if you want a mild chuckle and a lot of annoyance, for context:
CW: Transphobia
Phillip defended a user that claimed Hexbear is “95% guys” in the middle of a joke about Hexbear users killing themselves, by trying to say the “95% guys” comment was about the masculine tendency towards debatelord behavior, and had nothing to do with transphobia. In Phillip’s view, only the suicide part was bad, and had nothing to do with the “95% guys” part.
This is all in context of another user sealioning about why Lemmy.world defederated from Hexbear, getting banned, and then making a ye power tripping bastards post about it. Phillip then tried to get into an argument with me, devolving into questions of my character rather than the topic at hand, ie when I got banned for calling the transphobe out for their transphobia in a .world comm.
I’m tired.
hasanCowbee derangement syndromeSeriously.
I wish more of us (me) were in there posting like you, I would greatly prefer that we ditch the “dirtbag left” and “bullying works” entirely and focus on medium to high effort posting on the libs.
As you mentioned some of them lose their minds completely, but we have to remember that it makes you look good to the audience when that happens.
I appreciate the kind words, but I actually think some people do respond better to shame than calm refutation. I think diversifying strategy works best, personally. I will say, though, my strategy has at least gotten through to some people that otherwise seemed apprehensive.
If it helps at all, the responses you gave made my entry into Hexbear a lot more easy, even if it doesn’t show a lot of people are influenced
Thanks, that does help! Everyone that thanks me does help me mentally, I’m a bit simple like that.
I would say “Thanks for your service :sankara-solute:” if I wasn’t on a client
On platforms like this its more about the audience than the person you’re actually talking too. The calm and patient explaining comes across much better. Let the others seethe.
Fully agreed, which is why I know it works!
you heard it here folks, bullying is back on the menu
True, maybe I’d say we should be more tactical about deploying a ppb dogpile. I’d like to see a bit more discipline.
I don’t like the PPB because it’s just too gross for me. I see enough shit in my daily life I don’t need to see it here. I understand it makes libs upset. But it makes me upset having to see a giant dookie.
We can have a little PPB, as a treat
Gotta mix it up!
you need both. sometimes cussing someone out is what gets across that we actually care about this stuff while staying calm 100% of the time can look like how liberals talk about things.
Agreed!
For the most part you get banned anyway. E.g. me getting banned yesterday from 196 @ blahaj:
We mostly bully over at hexbear because it’s a safe space that shouldn’t get contaminated with imperialism and transphobia, people are more reasonable when the takes aren’t wildly immoral.
hasan doesn’t deserve the title of derangement syndrome
It isn’t his title it’s his haters’.
I’m not referring to Hexbear criticism of him lol, it doesn’t change the fact that it makes like tens of thousands of peoplento his right froth about his least wrong takes
no ik im just saying they should call it che derangement syndrome or something
You could consider the deranged attention a symptom of successful agitprop.
I do, generally, they just take it to surprising levels sometimes.
Wanted to take time out of my day to say fuck yerbouti, absolute asshole and I wish I could say I’m surprised to see that Philip chose to die on the hill of defending his bullshit.
you don’t deserve any of the shit that those assholes give you
Thank you, comrade! You don’t deserve the hate you get either, not one iota. And yea, I’m entirely unsurprised about Philip, there was ample opportunity and they rejected it willingly.
Yeah them coming there specifically to be angry at you in that thread was just shocking. Although considering what that account usually has to say guess shouldn’t be surprised
Not surprised at all, actually, they do it regularly if I’m not posting in .ml/grad/Hexbear.
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Liberals, trying to articulate why concern trolling by misogynists in an already patriarchal and misogynistic society is bad: “uhh, imagine an uppity minority who doesn’t want to be othered.”
Like I can give them a little credit for taking a partial step away from civility fetishism by realizing that reactionary bullshit can be hidden behind “acceptably civil” rhetoric, but they lose that credit for deciding that “disagreeing with blanket claims against any given group” is some kind of super secret logic fallacy trolling method and not, you know, that the problem is with the reactionary ideology hiding behind defense of powerful groups. It’s like the nonsense where they decided that everything from pointing out hypocrisy (but only their own hypocrisy, they love pointing out the hypocrisy of their ontologically evil frenemies who just jeer and laugh knowing that hypocrisy means nothing) to just pointing out American crimes in general is a super ultra mega logical fallacy that’s tantamount to forfeiting one’s position in the super serious warzone-marketplace of ideas that is a casual conversation on social media.
I have been accused of sealioning for questioning the sealioning comic
Is the sea lion comic supposed to tell me that some people can’t be convinced with words alone and that if I want to be treated like an qual I should resort to direct action instead? That’s what came to my mind when I saw it, but given the context that can’t be the intention.
I don’t agree. Sea lions in the comic are a stand in for debate perverts.
Then the comic depicts a “debate pervert” who, within the scope of the comic, is behaving pretty reasonably.
Not really? They’re not welcome and they insist on a debate?
They’re the ones who started talking shit about sealions.
I’m open to your point of view, I just find it a wild interpretation of the comic.
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Well then the comic shouldn’t be referencing a biological trait (being a sea lion), but a selectable trait.
I am once again asking comrades to please use quote formatting.
I spent ten minutes trying to figure out why a Hexbear would be rude to Cowbee.
@thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net called me “🤡🐝” earlier today…
I was so confused by this post like OMG. It read to me like LemmySlopSkimmer was writing about getting banned being slop
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Here is a direct link to the actual context, so others don’t have to sort through an entire thread of lemmy.world users embarrassing themselves.
Thanks for the direct link, makes the situation a lot clearer.
Still reading it, but just wanted to say I find it more tolerable substituting “guys” to “gays”
i can’t make heads or tails of any of this shit, but null seems like an asshole
It requires multiple threads of stupid, useless arguments for context. You’ve already got the gist.
i worry i’ll be seen as misgendering if I say “you guys” (american English) so my personal bit has been to say “youse guys” (american Italian)
Nobody actually gets pissed at honest mistakes unless you double down. I misgender folks by accident occasionally and all it takes is an oops and enough respect to get it right and everything is cool.
As a red blooded Eastern European I use y’all for my gender inclusive address of choice
i give you permission to use ya’ll instead if you want. but honestly i tend to use “guys” (IRL not online) as a gender neutral term for 2 or 3 people if I am addressing them directly
Start saying yinz
Can you imagine trying to write a post to convince people you are not transphobic and this is the best you can come up with?
I couldnt imagine a single statistic that gets more wrong by the hour.
TRANSPHOBE DOWN!
Calling a hexbear transphobic is certainly… something.
It’s not a Hexbear, the post body here is a copy of the linked post. Here’s the actual context, the user accused of transphobia is a piefed.social user.
17·2 months agoI think you are misunderstanding something, nobody is calling a hexbear transphobic?
Yerbouti, the transphobe phillip defended, once compared Hexbear’s queer-positive stances to the Proud Boys saying they aren’t racist, ie the implication is that we are a gang of transphobes claiming we aren’t.
I once got into it with yerbouti about what exactly his beef was with hexbear. Apparently he’s French Canadian and once attended a chapo live show there where they made a joke about the French Canadians and he has been holding a grudge against chapo listeners ever since then
Joke’s on him; I’ve never once listened to a chapo episode
If that’s true, that’s an incredibly petty origin story, lmao.
Incredible, lmao. If they aren’t lying, that’s amazing.
Oh totally I’ve been on hrt for 2 years to own the libs /s
Nah, you’re actually transphobic, sorry. I don’t make the rules!
It’s just like how anti-Zionist Jews aren’t real Jews.
Exactly the same, reactionaries will use fundamental identity against anyone, be it directly against said identity or the validity of the identity itself. It’s just a club for them to crush dissent.
It’s kind of difficult to tell in the UI that the post wasn’t written by LemmySlopSkimmer but by someone from another instance. Especially with the 403 error.
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Yeah, my first impression reading the post was: WTF we are defending transphobia ITT?
I’m on mobile exclusively and didn’t understand the context, sorry
Til that user made their own comm. Watch it becomes just a place for them to put their wronged by other instances rants
And for anyone that needs more examples of their wonderfulness
Holy shit, imagine getting called out for being a dickhead bigot and your reaction is to remove the people calling you out instead of any self reflection.
Not a shocker, the db0 instance called them out repeatedly for lying about the instance and how they “never knew or interacted with The Christian Small Dog” when their account had several instances of talking to The Christian Small Dog, and then went up to bat for them time and time again.
Get bent, transphobe.
rip, ibbit.at defederating from .ml and db0 in retaliation for Philip getting banned
I was actually subscribed to the left news one, hexbear is unaffected
Good god that user is such a petulant child
It’s just for the week though. If hexbear banned him it likely would have been defederated as well.
funnely enough we did perma ban them back on their ponder cat account, he must have forgotten
