I am confused about the sheer volume of seemingly illegal actions these fascists are getting away with. The amount of US citizens unlawfully detained, the warrantless surveillance and raids, the refusal to identify themselves, and the clear pattern of violence though indiscriminate physical assault.
Where are the class action lawsuits?
Why are no Democratic politicians calling for ICE’s leadership to be investigated, impeached, imprisoned? Even if Democrats are kinda feckless and racist themselves, surely they’re not as stupid as the Republicans and can see the threat that ICE represents to the economy, if nothing else?
I’m just astonished by the absolute dearth of any resistance to these squads of lead-poisoned idiots who don’t follow any rules and are seemingly only motivated by a desire to hurt people.
Moreover… I want to believe in rehabilitative justice, and if we ever want to see former ICE agents get treatment and re-enter society as productive upstanding citizens, it would be best to stop them before they’re too far gone. Not to make it out like they’re the primary victims here, but I do believe what they’re doing is actively harming themselves.
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democrats are waiting for the government to reopen so they can give them more money
There’s community rapid response networks being set up as early warning systems. There are individual lawsuits, idk if any of them have legal grounds to be class action. And there are some mayors taking strong public stances against them, but those probably could be stronger or made from the comfort of being powerless. Idk if any mayor has ordered the police to not cooperate. LA mayor can’t. Pritzker might be able to but he’s not AFAIK.
National level dems, nah. Probably Omar and Tlaib have.
I haven’t kept track of everything in detail, but Mayor Johnson of Chicago did initially order the Chicago PD not to cooperate with ICE and I remember seeing cops turning ICE away. Not sure what’s changed in Chicago though.
Some cpd got pepper sprayed today by ice.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/s/FDNqrFKXMr
Pig on pig violence, not relevant to their cooperation as far as I know. ICE is going ham on Chicago, two people have been shot, and they have a more serious community warning/ICE tailing groups from what I’ve seen online.
They’re getting more vicious and people are stepping up, but it hasn’t hit a breaking point yet
https://www.reddit.com/r/LoganSquare/s/i8k4Dy3lj4
This insane raid was conducted that gives West Bank energy
https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/03/us/chicago-apartment-ice-raid
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Idk if any mayor has ordered the police to not cooperate. LA mayor can’t. Pritzker might be able to but he’s not AFAIK.
Yeah mayors’ abilities vary a lot. NYC mayor could 100% do it, at least in theory the NYPD is supposed to basically be the mayor’s private army. Any governor could do something though, mobilize the national guard with instructions to arrest any suspected ICE agent for things like kidnapping or other obvious crimes you see them commit.
In Illinois in particular I’m pretty sure they made it illegal for Gestapo agents to hide their identities, but it’s going totally unenforced because who is gonna enforce it? Get the NG out there arresting every agent wearing a mask, lock them up and throw away the key.
Trump can override any governors order to the national guard. He’s already ordered the national guard to escort ICE and CBP in LA and DC.
He can only do that in specific circumstances like if he invokes the insurrection act. The only reason that order is standing in California is because Gavin Newsome is a [redacted] and doesn’t want to start a constitutional crisis
DC is different since it’s not a state, he does have the ability to do that one.
The refusal to identify themselves is one that I struggle with on a basic level. Unless I’m being naive, it would seem to open the door for people to easily imitate law enforcement for any number of malicious reasons. That’s bad for the public, but it also erodes the legitimacy of law enforcement, and that legitimacy is a critical tool and force multiplier. If people start pretending to be federal agents to get away with crimes, it’s only a matter of time before actual federal agents start getting shot for very understandable reasons. Once that starts, there’s nothing they can do to stop people from doing it unless law enforcement go back to identifying themselves properly. They can put people in prison or shoot back or whatever, but that’s not going to stop it from happening.
I get that the terror and confusion is the point blah blah blah but this is a very real issue with serious potential consequences for both individual law enforcement agents and for law enforcement as a whole. It seems like a very high-risk tactic for what seems like a pretty minor payoff.
To be clear, I’m mostly talking about the reports of plainclothes agents in unmarked vehicles making arrests. Wearing masks and refusing to identify is cowardly, but failing to identify openly as law enforcement at all strikes me as extremely stupid and dangerous at a fundamental level. Visibility is a factor in force projection. It’s a big part of enforcing their monopoly on violence in a practical, rather than just legal, sense. Why would they give that up just to be able to sneak up on people?
Unless I’m being naive, it would seem to open the door for people to easily imitate law enforcement for any number of malicious reasons.
No only that, it has at least been theorized at various points in the past is that part of the reason for them refusing to even show proof that they’re lawful government agents is that they sometimes aren’t and are instead basically just private thugs hired by the state who are bluffing that they are actual agents.
And I think it’s kind of weird, if anything, that we’ve seen so few cases of violence in self-defense against these guys. If you don’t have any proof you’re an agent of the state and I’m not committing any crime, then you can’t arrest me, what you’re doing is kidnapping and I have every right to use proportional force to stop you, which can easily mean killing you. If you refuse to prove you’re a cop by even the most mundane standard of evidence, you don’t get any of those protections regarding “assaulting an officer,” “resisting arrest,” or any other expectation that I defer to your authority, because that authority is predicated on me having adequate reason to believe that you’re a real cop! Even in relatively conservative areas, I don’t think a judge would challenge this idea (though some would in really reactionary areas, of course).
If these are real ICE agents, I think the answer is literally just cowardice, like the IDF sending in tanks without infantry because some fools think it’s safer to just “bully” Palestinians with a heavily armored vehicle, with no appreciation for how much less safe the tank is without infantry protecting it.
That’s the unbelievably frustrating aspect of the Silverio Villegas-Gonzalez shooting. ICE agents jumped out of an unmarked car and looked like carjackers to this innocent guy who had just dropped off his kids at school, so he reversed his car and tried to escape and was then shot dead. That’s not even self-defense, just self-preservation. And you don’t really hear anything about it, despite the fact this guy was an innocent man murdered by ICE for no reason. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/police-records-witness-accounts-complicate-dhs-narrative-fatal-chicago-area-ice-2025-09-24/
cw doomer
If you kill a fed you’re going to federal court. Acquittal rate is 0.4%. Assuming you make it to court at all and aren’t summarily executed by masked feds in the middle of the night.
Even with acquittal being that uncommon, it’s not like they just decide it by rolling dice. There are better and worse cases, and this is one of the better cases you can possibly get.
You are totally right about risking summary execution, though.
Reinoehl style
And I think it’s kind of weird, if anything, that we’ve seen so few cases of violence in self-defense against these guys
Ngl in this racist ass country it makes it even more confusing when you remember that like half or more of ICE agents are Latino
On top of “How has no one shot at the random gang trying to kidnap them?” I’m wondering how some 2A freak hasn’t shot at them because he “saw a bunch of Mexicans jump out of a van and try to kidnap an old woman, assumed they were MS13, and started blasting”
On top of “How has no one shot at the random gang trying to kidnap them?” I’m wondering how some 2A freak hasn’t shot at them because he “saw a bunch of Mexicans jump out of a van and try to kidnap an old woman, assumed they were MS13, and started blasting”
This has to happen at some point, right? You don’t even need to be a freak, per se. A well-meaning person who carries a gun might easily look at that situation and try to intervene. “Bunch of scary guys in masks assaulting someone” is probably like top 3 good-guy-with-a-gun fantasies. They made 6 Death Wish movies, including one fairly recently. Are you going to tell me that there aren’t plenty of people out there just itching to shoot at a gang of anonymous thugs? It feels inevitable.
it would seem to open the door for people to easily imitate law enforcement for any number of malicious reasons.
It already has: CNN: ICE impersonator incidents rise during Trump’s second term
It would help if companies like fucking Amazon didn’t sell fake ICE gear to anyone who wants to impersonate the gestapo.
Amazon. Same company that flooded strikers with freezing water in sub-zero temperatures in NYC.
Trump seems to have had connections to human trafficking, not only through Jepstein but possibly his own network. During his first term there was a lot of people who went missing both at the the border which some theorized was murders and cover-ups but could have just as easily been kidnappings. During the Floyd protests there was this same thing happening of unidentified masked men in unmarked vehicles grabbing, seemingly random, people. Again, this was thought to be simply feds doing extrajudicial arrests. There could be a darker thing happening here. It could be by design to give cover for one or several human trafficking networks. It would be extremely difficult to separate “legitimate” arrests from wanton kidnappings. As long as there is enough on-the-books chaos with real ICE and feds eating up attention, it would be hard to notice random abductions. The US already has a terrible track record with missing persons of color. These networks would be opportunistic feeders whenever there is social chaos. Even if officials don’t have any knowledge of this happening, or direct connections, the networks that do exist could still use the opportunity.
I don’t have any real evidence other than “people intimately involved in a widely known human trafficking scheme coincidentally do the thing that makes kidnapping super easy.” But it’s also the thing that nobility, royalty, and fascists have been doing. Alexander III deported people like this because he accused them of terrorism (and killing his dad). So it’s not like they need the trafficking reason to do this.
ICE are currently enemies of humanity. Just think of them as Nazis and no further thoughts necessary. These people deserve no compassion and should receive none.
Least federal bulletin boarding I can produce on the topic.
no way someone working for ice can be rehabilitated or treated. prison for life. lots of license plates to make
I’m a fan of the make them be farmers for a couple decades. Work the rice fields. Considering what they’ve done and who ICE mainly targets that’s a fitting punishment. The ones who try to escape or otherwise misbehave can be stuck indoors pressing plates though.
i just feel like for what they did they at least deserve life. their job was to basically imprison someone else possibly for life, possibly put them in a death camp, nobody including them probably really even knows. but they certainly ruin lives and act violently. i would be cool with making them work the fields til they cant anymore then give them retirement to life in prison
I was partly memeing. My actual solution to that filth would fill the ocean with salt water from tears of the hoglets for generations to come. Not that it takes much. They’re still whining about punishments after Castro came to power.
I’ve got good news for you, the United States has hundreds if not thousands of prison-farms!
I’m from Buenos Aires
Making immigrants more precarious is something that both sides of the aisle are going to be happy with. It gives capital more power to exploit them after all. The threat of being abducted at any point of your life is a strong disincentive to any complaints.
Dems are solidly on the 99% Hitler grind set, they have been for a long time. So as long as republicans are pushing the envelope further they can just inch along and still expect people to vote for them as the less bad option. Just like how building a wall on the border to Mexico went from being derided as cartoonish to being something they bragged about doing better than Trump.
You will see mobilization of communities when it hits the news. Right now, it is exactly thart kind of mobilization that is preventing more of ICE’s violence from occurring, We are standing in front of our schools, responding to their actions quickly to interfere, we are chasing down their cars til they leave and getting their license plates, and we are blocking them in. The news wants blood and I hope things do not have to reach that point. If you aren’t hearing about people’s actions against ICE, blame the media.
Yeah communities HAVE been doing this stuff, the media will just never cover it
Because the ruling class is extremely vindictive, simple as that.
The Democrats are mad you didn’t come out and vote for Kamala Harris.
If you can’t get over the issue in Palestine, fine, we’ll make sure you get to witness how things turn even worse under Trump.
We’ll make sure immigrants and minorities, people you claim you want to protect, have it even worse under Trump.
We’ll make sure the economy is so bad that you lose your jobs. We’re willing to lose billions to discipline you.
We want you to crawl back to us, begging us for forgiveness, confessing that it is you, not us, who was wrong for not voting for Kamala.
People don’t understand how vindictive the bourgeois ruling class can be. They still fantasize that they can use their “votes” to force the Democrats concede to the left. It’s naive.
And fascist thugs roam the streets because the left isn’t putting up resistance against them. No matter how many people you claim you can recruit under Trump, if there is no resistance, the fascists aren’t afraid.
I wonder how much of that is just a byproduct of their apathy when they serve the donor class rather than active vindictiveness. They can’t be bothered to help people when they’re in power, so of course they aren’t any more motivated to help people when they’re out of power, either.
Some municipal judges have tried to get in the way and failed completely (some others may have succeeded, idk). Lawyers too, of course.
I do think it’s good of you and something the left needs more of to understand that reaction is also often self-destructive and it would be good to rehabilitate people, but of course the absolute first priority is stopping their project. I’m not really sure why self-identified socialists are so frequently giddy to condemn people for life when that’s completely contrary to leftism, even for people that we all dislike and believe need to be stopped by any means necessary. If some ICE people need to die – and even killing them is literally legal in some scenarios, not that what is right is constrained by what is legal – so be it, but that doesn’t mean, in a situation where they have lost all their power and are safely detained, that the thing to do is make them permanent slaves or torture or kill them.
Thank you. Step one to leftism is understanding materialism, this isn’t about mercy or being kind to fascists, it’s about understanding how rehabilitative justice benefits everyone way more than punitive justice.
I empathise with people’s anger, but I do wince and worry about the unbridled bloodlust I often see.
I agree with you. We should try to save and convert as many people as possible, including those Hexbear would consider abhorrent, such as ICE agents. I want to believe that even the most reactionary people, can be converted under the right circumstances. (Which to be fair is much easier said than done im not denying that).
Im not absolving monsters of their crimes but if they can serve humanity in some capacity, isnt that a greater benefit?
Where are the class action lawsuits?
Hell, where are the individual lawsuits?
This may be the most stark [strategic] difference between Democrats and Republicans. Republicans seek out and fund court cases, hoping that at least one of them makes the right argument in front of the right judge. Dunno quite how long it’s been going on for; at least as long as I’ve been alive, although I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a tradition that stretches back further.
Democrats… don’t. At least as far as I’m aware. It’s a glaring imbalance.
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there’s a few here and there but the courts are deliberately slow
The courts sure work fast when the republicans need them to, weird that California, New York, or Illinois can’t get that working
Even if Democrats are kinda feckless and racist themselves, surely they’re not as stupid as the Republicans and can see the threat that ICE represents to the economy, if nothing else?
Yesterday I was thinking of the word “reactive” and how it defines the dem mindset. To paraphrase the dictionary - they are acting in response to situations rather than creating or controlling them. The dems are at historic lows in popularity. They’ve dug themselves into a hole, they have no idea how to get out and they refuse to do anything substantive about it. I’ve joked about it over-and-over but their main talking points are kitchen table issues and healthcare subsides. Which - even they would have to admit - are not energizing.
In that context - I’m surprised at their attitude towards ICE. Any decent person with even a cursory knowledge of what ICE is up to is disgusted. But most dem pols seem to ignore ICE. I know I’m speaking theoretically and most of them would never do it but being anti-ICE would be an easy way to energize the base and an easy dunk for the dems to at least be strongly anti-ICE on social media. Pritzker is the loudest voice even though I assume he’ll be useless because he won’t do anything.
I think that vast percentage of dem pols are in a fetal position hoping they can at least win the House in 2026.
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When they do mention ICE - it’s bland stuff like this…
Senator Ron Wyden
It was a beautiful Sunday in Portland. Farmer’s markets, the Portland Marathon, peaceful protests, and some views of Mt. Hood. This city is vibrant, peaceful, and resilient. We do not need a federal occupation, and we sure as hell don’t want one.
[45 second vid]
https://bsky.app/profile/wyden.senate.gov/post/3m2iig6cdv22i
wow Ron very inspring thanks for defeating fascism you fucking asshole
He could have at least said Trump’s federal occupation.
There’s Escucha Mi Voz, but they’re just an independent advocacy group and don’t really have the backing of a party or institution.
They’re filing lawsuits, organizing protective accompaniment, doing “know your rights” training sessions, etc.
Cw: doom rant
spoiler
So I think I figured this out. The American economy has relied upon immigrant workers for a long time to do the work that nobody wanted to do. Moreover the American economy has relied on homeless people and near-dwells to act as a cudgel to the middle class. However with the increased movement of jobs to other sectors like India the owners of this country have no more reason to pretend that anybody other than the upper middle class is worth anything to them. By that I mean they will vote for their interests at The ballot box. This current purging is a way to satisfy the hogs while getting rid of people that would be a drain on a society that is about to collapse. The tech and AI sectors are in a huge bubble and are bound to collapse in the face of China. All we really have is waging unpopular forever wars with increasingly despicable client states. Why not Purge the people that you view as a drain on society while emboldening those that you’re about to Griff next at the same time.
As far as taking care of ice goes, I have no idea I’m not a fed poster
near-dwells
Ne’er-do-well?
Yeah was talking at my phone and it doesn’t know the classics
The system is working as intended. Who would do anything anything fix a system working they way they want?
This is a culmination of everything we have seen so far. At this point anything less than a red dawn type reaction is just going to be absorbed into the redundancy built into the system
keeping the freezer door shut
