Gross response.
Here’s the Bad Empanada video I finessed this title from. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69BlRK9Jql0
Rare Hasan L. Why the fuck is he doubling down on this? Does Bernie really mean that much to you Hasan? 
Badempanada’s criticism only makes sense from the perspective that he believes that streaming is activism. Badempanada thinks that he’s going to defeat Zionism by being a really annoying person on twitter. It is entertaining that Badempanada is really annoying on twitter. This is the core of why Badempanada is so mad, he thinks that doing an interview is activism and therefore doing a bad interview is bad activism.
I watched the Hasan video and the Badempanda video. Badempanada makes a conspiracy theory that Hasan is “being groomed by the mainstream media” to launder their opinions. Hasan’s video says that he agrees that the interview was bad and he didn’t know the extent of how bad that Matt Duss is. Badempanada says that Hasan should have been more critical to Matt Duss. Hasan says that he should have been more critical to Matt Duss. So what is the disagreement? The disagreement is that Badempanada thinks that streaming is activism and it seems like Hasan does not agree that streaming is activism.
You think the interview was bad. Badempanada thinks that the interview was bad. Hasan thinks the interview was bad. What happens next? Hasan created this video to say that the interview was bad. At 9 minutes in the video, Hasan say he doesn’t care about drama because doing activism (going outside and protesting) is more important than internet drama. Hasan seems to recognize that streaming isn’t activism. Badempanada thinks that streaming is activism. That’s why he’s mad.
I don’t think that streaming is activism. Sometimes Hasan does activism by attending protests, the student encampments, or the anti-ICE protests in LA. Other people have said that Hasan inspired them to do activism. Streaming itself isn’t activism.
Hasan’s stream is a news show. News shows sometimes do bad interviews or have bad guests. Chapo has had many bad guests and they acknowlege it, (contrapoints, Matt Taibbi, etc). Every news show has bad interviews sometimes.
My expectation is only that Hasan recognizes that this was a bad interview and doesn’t make the same mistake again.
Their (both) activism is of limited nature, as it doesn’t collide them with the law. I’m sorry but when only interview of pal_action I could find is in nlr (bunch of nerds for any streamer watcher), and all podcast/streamer sphere is like “oh wow they made them illegal huh” after 1.5 years of work? They are all posers. Granny arrested post factum is a braver comrade than all of them
Marching in the streets and interviewing kibbutz bernie is exactly the same effectiveness as sitting at home and talking how interviewing bernie is bad.
Greek comrades rn are eating police batons to stop pisraeli ship from docking btw
🔥 facts. like I’m sure these non-violent protests are a nice way for people to blow off some steam. but how is it actually fucking with the west’s ability to prop up the genocidal zionist entity? the answer is it just isn’t 🤷
Badempanada thinks that he’s going to defeat Zionism by being a really annoying person on twitter.
His whole thing is stirring drama. I’ve said this before, but he’s basically the Keemstar of the twitter/youtube left and has a pretty consistent strategy of stirring shit in a certain way to keep himself relevant on those platforms. In a lot of cases this involves attacking people who deserve to be attacked and having takes that are objectively good. In other cases, he’ll adopt bizarrely bad takes (like that China is committing “cultural genocide”) because it stirs the pot just enough to get a certain amount of people fired up without pissing everyone off completely.
Also I should say I haven’t seen the interview so I can’t say whether or not Hasan is in the wrong here. He may be, but I’m just pointing out a pattern I’ve noticed.
I simply do not watch streamers.
emapanda does drama shit on his live channel and up until the escalation in response to october 7 his main channel was almost exclusively effort posting. it’s been blended more recently especially with takedowns of specific zionists
Badempanada’s criticism only makes sense from the perspective that he believes that streaming is activism. Badempanada thinks that he’s going to defeat Zionism by being a really annoying person on twitter. It is entertaining that Badempanada is really annoying on twitter. This is the core of why Badempanada is so mad, he thinks that doing an interview is activism and therefore doing a bad interview is bad activism.
Hasn’t BE said the opposite of this many times? That he considers himself an entertainer and that all of this extremely online influencer shit is entertainment grifting. And he specifically included himself in that, saying NOT to look to influencers for any kind of leadership or organising because they’re not.
Maybe I’m misremembering?
The problem with streamers is that quite often what they say and how they act are completely at odds with each other. They place themselves as the loudest most obnoxious voices and then go ‘Oh no, don’t actually pay attention to me, I don’t actually have an obligation to mean what I say, saying stuff is just my job, you can’t get mad at me for doing my job!’.
ah yes the Jon Stewart argument
For the majority of the Badempanada’s criticism video, he says that creates a conspiracy theory that “Hasan is being groomed by the mainstream media” to promote “democratic party entryism”.
At 22 minutes into the video, Badempanada says “He’s going to be highly incentivized to become or to at least maintain the role that he already serves rather than to challenge it.” What does this statement mean? Badempanada is asking Hasan to use his news show to “challenge” the Badempanada’s perceived societal expectations. This is a call to activism.
Then at 23 minutes into the video, Badempanada says he fears Hasan will “prevent potential anti-systemic energy from really forming into like a critical mass that could potentially do something different or he can surprise me and everyone else by ceasing to allow them to use him.” Throughout the video Badempanada has crafted a narrative that Hasan’s role in society is to reinforce the status quo and Badempanada is asking Hasan to be an activist for whatever Badempanada’s goals are. Badempanada is saying that Hasan’s stream is what is holding the status quo together. This is delusional.
None of Badempanada’s video makes sense if you treat Hasan like any other news outlet or commentator. Imagine for a second that this video is made about Matt Christman of Chapo or Brace Belden of Trueanon or Amy Goodman of Democracy Now or any media figure. Imagine I say that Brace Belden is preventing potential anti-systemic energy from forming because he’s not using Trueanon to promote my ideas. You would recognize that I am being absurd.
Badempanada’s video only makes sense from the perspective of believing that Hasan’s job is to be an activist which challenges the establishment. If you treat Hasan’s stream as a news show, which it is, then Badempanada’s video makes no sense.
Badempanada talks about how mass media manufactures consent. Then he makes the assumption that mainstream media will be defeated by alternative media. His whole video is built around Badempanada’s delusion that a twitch stream could defeat the mainstream media apparatus.
The solution to “manufacturing consent” is not alternative media. The solution to “manufactured consent” is organizing your community, organize your workplace, join a labor union, join a socialist party, attend an anti-ICE protest, attend an anti-Israel protest, etc.
My expectation of Hasan is not that he defeats the mainstream media establishment. That would be an absurd expectation. My expectation of Hasan is that he reports new stories that interest me, so that I can read further into those news stories and make my own conclusions. If you treat Hasan as a news commentator, him mistakenly giving a bad interview and acknowledging that it was a bad interview, a reasonable response is hoping that he doesn’t make the mistake again or don’t watch his show. If you expect a person to publicly chastise themself or beg for your forgiveness, then you are not treating that person as a news commentator.
You are correct, he posted a video about the irrelevance of online leftism like three days ago lol
Hasan has already doubled down and pretended he was being “cancelled” by people for being a Zionist. He’s pretty bad at learning from his many mistakes
Badempanada thinks that he’s going to defeat Zionism
Just want to introject right there. BE is a perpetual pessimist and a defeatist. He has some good scathing critiques, but I’m always unimpressed with his outlook. Mike from PA (problematic himself) points this out and has the objectively correct take on revolutionary optimism - we must be convinced of our inevitable triumph. Just my 2¢.
I don’t think that streaming is activism.
It isn’t irl activism but when you have a platform as large as Hasan’s you have a lot of power to spread propaganda and shine a spotlight on certain issues that mainstream media would otherwise ignore.
Its moreso an issue of not platforming a rabid genocidal fascist piece of shit in any way other than to humiliate them in front of a large audience.
If Hasan wasn’t tearing duss a new one for being a fascist then he should just delete the video and apologize.
There is no excuse for “interviewing” a fascist who supports a genocide that your country is committing through proxy.
At the end of the conversation, he apologized to Duss in case he was too hostile. Certainly not “tearing him a new one”
I watched some of that stream, rare L imo, I made it to one time where he literaly calls himself a “progressive zionist”(50:10), gets a chuckle from Hasan himself as he rolls eyes.
I want to be generous and say I wonder if he was truly not prepared for this guys takes or he just didn’t expect this guy to be so upfront about it, it was pretty embarassing and he knew immediately as the guest said it.
Hasan is well read so he knows all the anti-zionist talking points so he can push back, but when the guy starts doing literaly “but what about the communists, we should be honest about the communists, hey Hasan are you not a communist why don’t you condemn
HamasStalin?” shit he should’ve have pressed that. What about it? What communists? What have they done? And depending on the response end the stream right there. Would have been far, far better for him, more views, engagement, drama etc than continue the interview.But again I think he wasn’t prepared for this guy to be so openly apologetic, I doubt he ever considered the possibility of cutting off a guest early, someone vetted in advance and judged to be “ok”.
Its a rare L but a massive one too, he should own up to it. He knew it was bad, his reaction tells as much how uncomfortable it was right away. Buts its all meaningless if you’re deer in a headlight moment can’t go off script lets just “debate” liberal zionism again.
“Rare” L? Lol
parasocial attachments blind people to simple truths. They “want to be generous” for eternity, that never ending wellspring of “generosity” for social democrats never seems to apply to communists equally.
In my view if people are still willing to post garbage ass Xi chad emotes despite China`s disastrous betrayal and continued enabling of Israel, then Hasan’s Ls have been quite rare in comparison. You may have different standards though so suit yourself.
Every time someone mocks you you just start attacking China lmao even tho it’s totally unrelated
You’re pathetic
A pro-Ukraine pro-NATO guy who looks like Vaush defends Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish ethnostate. No way.
I think Hasan should’ve done his due diligence about this guy and dunked on him like Krystal did to Slotkin.
Hasan apparently would never obliterate someone who has Bernie collections.
Hasan is committed to the Democratic Party, so this is unsurprising
The fact that people still think that a wealthy streamer, who keeps endorsing Democratic candidates and actively sheepdogs his audience into a bourgeois party, is some sort of principled socialist is laughable.
Never liking piker due to his immense liberalism continues to pay dividends for yours truly
Edit: Lmao just noticed OP wrote “rare” L, cmon comrade that’s cringe af
i really don’t get how anyone on this website still falls for the berniecrat “progressive” ruse. It’s pathetic. Grow up people. They pretend to be a hard commie until a new AOC 7.0 shows up and they’re falling for the exact shit for the umpteenth time. Like holy shit it’s so stupid. Stop pretending to be a marxist if you are like this and go be a lib, or fucking read marx already he will cure you of this infantile dipshittery
It’s because most people here aren’t in orgs. If you’re in a good org you will rapidly discover that these folks collaborate with your very direct enemies and even sometimes become them. If you’re in a bad org you are likely on a journey to joining a good one and will at least still think in terms of what is good or bad for it.
Without this, hexbears remain susceptible to the hegemonic default: bourgeois electoralism and discourse about it.
USians never experienced principled marxism
nah, we are “ultras” for criticizing Zohran for his squeamish backpedaling and caving to zionist and pro-cop narratives
but what about context and material conditions /s
Yeah that famous “pro-cop narrative” that none of you ever post despite it being SOOOO damning
“we need to maintain the size of the NYPD. Defunding the police is not what I believe”
Ooook liberal
Freezing the size and budget of the NYPD leads to defunding thru inflation and retention issues
You got a better strategy that leads to victory and doesn’t amount to first world Maoist daydreaming
no you’re an ultra for saying he has to look dead to camera and say “fuck the police” to pass your test
he has to look dead to camera and say “fuck the police”
Strawman
No I think their point stands
i am referring very specifically to a conversation with that user in an old mega
You mean the one where all the radlibs decided that “defund the police” was too ultra and that NYPD is a politically neutral organization and all agreed upon tailism and support of a fascist organization?
just go be a liberal
i would guess some of it is user churn, along with hexbear being “big tent” and not explicitly marxist
I see it from 4 year old accounts and power users and mods of comms here
What does “falling for it” mean in this context?
Believing Rojava was a progressive project (not a CIA/US Military operation with a mask), attacking Assad, supporting Bernie, supporting AOC, Supporting Hasan, Supporting Zohran, Supporting the DSA, Supporting Democratic Party entrism as a tactic, attacking Russia over its anti-imperialist war, believing Hezbollah and Hamas are fascist, supporting color revolutions in Iran or Hong Kong, etc…
Many people, a sizeable majority on this site, at one point or the other held one or more of these opinions. They need to purge themselves of their liberalism, and stop falling for this line of thought. They will fall for the next imperialist war, and they will fall for the next soc dem stooge.
Most have come around on most of the opinions above to the correct principled stance eventually. It took them a while, it took them years of being proven wrong by reality to adjust to finally admit they were wrong. But then they do it all again the second a new topic comes up, instead of learning and adjusting their entire worldview that led them to the wrong conclusions. If you ever held one of the opinions above, and you find yourself defending the “succ” side of things with much the same arguments as you previously made, stop and smash your head with a hammer a couple times. Maybe it will scramble things up for the better, it seems like something isn’t working as is.
Yes he’s a liberal. He wants to run progressives, get healthcare, and chill. Socdems be socdemming. The question is why ppl viscerally react to criticism of their comfort streamer who voted for Holocaust Harris in the bluest state in the union purely as a show of fealty to the establishment
He was literally crying and whining during the election night coverage where Kamala got trounced. It’s not hard to see where his allegiance lies. Why should he get upset that one genocidal party got elected over another genocidal party? All of his fans in the chat also freaking out about “fascism”. I got banned from his chat for saying “Neither Blue nor Red, Free Palestine” for “celebrating fascist victory” and being a “troll”.
God, that election night coverage. I was working at the time and put him on because I couldn’t see anything else, I never watch him but it was even more liberal than I expected. He was like bullying his chat and having a mental breakdown he was so upset lol. Turned it off pretty quick.
The question is why ppl viscerally react to criticism of their comfort streamer who voted for Holocaust Harris in the bluest state in the union purely as a show of fealty to the establishment
because they fell for it again
He is an opportunist. I think BE is right and he’s trying to maintain his connections to the Democratic party and DSA. He may be more radical than how he presents himself on stream, but it doesnt really matter cause he’s acting as a funnel back to electoral politics and now legitimizing liberal zionists to his audience.
BE is also just a grifter too.
How so? Genuinely want to know, I don’t like the guy’s personality and stance on Russia but his propaganda on Palestine is very good for a small business owner (he runs a youtube channel). He pisses off the Argentine right so thats a big plus. *also he’s a hypocritical bastard for doxxing bayarea415
Idk what grifter means anymore. Wouldn’t grifting be pretending to hold different beliefs to make money off of them?
he’s the one that doxxed bayarea415?? never heard about this
My Hasan take is that he gets so much bad faith criticism from the worst people on the planet that he’s started to view any criticism as hostile off the bat as a kind of defense mechanism, which is super disappointing even though I kinda get it
This has also been my read on him for quite a while now. Which is aggravating because I’ve seen him ruin some really good talking points just by getting dragged into a hostile response to a standard-sounding question.
nope the hasan haters were right all along
Destiny, Vaush, Ethan Klein and Andrew Tate were right all along?
You’ve lost the plot
you do realize that it is possible to critize hasan from the left?
Parasocial whining and dishonest rumor-mill bullshit is not “criticism from the left”
When I see real counter-analysis and critique that doesn’t arise from cultural and social media “vibes” then I’ll take it seriously
my critique of hasan is very simple:
- broadly he has a DSA-right / Democrat-left position on the party-building, which is progressivising the Dems. Because of this, he barely covers anything that the PSL does, if at all + he is attached to the Dems so much that he normalizes the party as leftist (by doing interviews with Dems, not pressuring AOC or Bernie, going to the DNC etc etc.).
- he has absolutely atrocious takes on Ukraine. in the same interview with Duss he agrees that USA is “on the right side” of the war. this past week he was also pushing the “trump and putin are gay” meme which is gross.
- he has weird “china is doing cultural genocide” takes. he rarely brings it up, so its not as a big deal to me like the other two points, but it also signals to me that hasan doesn’t really have a coherent analysis.
i dont know if this counts for you as parasocial whining and / or dishonest rumor-mill bullshit. i am happy to expand on my points further if necessary
edit: another minor point that i remembered is that in context of defending relaxed immigration policies, he often calls US a “nation of immigrants”, which is a common liberal take (rather than recognising the US as a settler colonial state.)
not pressuring AOC
He slammed AOC hard during her recent fuck up
he barely covers anything that the PSL does
I mean WE barely cover anything the PSL does, Hasan is not qualified to lead the third party charge, and frankly I don’t hold that expectation for him
he has absolutely atrocious takes on Ukraine. in the same interview with Duss he agrees that USA is “on the right side” of the war. this past week he was also pushing the “trump and putin are gay” meme which is gross.
There we go, some actual critique with substance, I feel like I’ve seen a unicorn
he has weird “china is doing cultural genocide” takes. he rarely brings it up, so its not as a big deal to me like the other two points, but it also signals to me that hasan doesn’t really have a coherent analysis.
He more than makes up for it with his regular China glazing videos where he showcases Chinese infrastructure to the normies he babysits
My position on Hasan is simple: He’s a pipeline, he introduces baby-level leftism to lotus eating Americans who will never in a million years listen to anything people like us have to say, leftists who ignore the usefulness of Hasan or the nature of his political work strike me as whiners with unrealistic expectations for what should be considered a tool, the man is a tool, a resource, don’t worship him but also don’t sit there yelling at a basic utility because it didn’t help you build a rocket ship to FULL COMMUNISM
Leftists look at a pipeline, smash a spigot into it and then complain about the taste, it’s not for you and the constant hunt for reasons (most of them wrong) to dismiss that resource is counter-productive
He slammed AOC hard during her recent fuck up
i was not aware of this. i was more referring to his interviews with her that never push back on her shitty positions. from what i see he does critisise the dems a lot on stream, but still never breaks from them completely. which is what i think makes his stance aligned with DSA-right (and now the DSA is also broadly against AOC, so it makes sense why he would critique her)
I mean WE barely cover anything the PSL does, Hasan is not qualified to lead the third party charge, and frankly I don’t hold that expectation for him
that is fair. i would like him to use his platform to do it, but i also think it is unlikely
There we go, some actual critique with substance, I feel like I’ve seen a unicorn
unicorn is my second name
He more than makes up for it with his regular China glazing videos where he showcases Chinese infrastructure to the normies he babysits
also fair. i just personally dont like the trend of showing good infrastructure as a proxy of good politics. its not super principled. cool infrastructure is not why we support china.
on your last point, i disagree with the “hasan is a pipeline for baby leftists”. i know im in the minority on this one, but ive only really heard anecdotal evidence which seems more like survivors bias (ergo, evidence only from people who “went through the pipeline”). i know way way way more people who became principled leftist organisers for other reasons than political streamers or youtubers. which is why “he is a pipeline” argument seems to me as an excuse for bad politics really. my logic to criticising hasan is the same as for any public figure who positions themself as left / socialist.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
You Hasan lovers are the ones with parasocial attachments that make you defend Soc Dem bullshit and imperialism
I don’t even watch him, frankly his style and niceness annoys me, but I know his uses and i know the difference between good faith criticism and bullshit contrarian nonsense
the youtube guy deculturation has principled criticism of hasan from the left.
This website isn’t ready for deculturation yet, especially anyone who still has attachments to Democratic Party politicians
hmm. did anyone post his discussion with FD? that was pretty constructive and i wish other people would sit and take critique like that.
Hasan is a huge part of the western left now, like it or not nobody would call himself a leftist and a “Hasan hater” at the same time and be taken seriously or without serious questions. Self identifying with the “haters” is an obvious bait flag imo.
If you don’t want to be misunderstood why not clarify the criticism? Fuck Hasan he doesn’t deserve uncritical support, but people are definitely not realizing how close they are to repeating the same talking points as his enemies imo.
Hasan is a huge part of the western left now, like it or not nobody would call himself a leftist and a “Hasan hater” at the same time and be taken seriously or without serious questions.
im not sure what you mean. since when is not hating a media figure a pre-requisite for being leftist?
If you don’t want to be misunderstood why not clarify the criticism?
i did do that in another comment
I’m talking about Hasan haters on this website. Who are objectively correct.
You can’t even defend Hasan on his own merits, cause you know he’s just a succ dem lib. So you drag in AES nations you don’t live in to an unrelated discussion. Fucking weirdo, you need to remove the beam from thine own eye before you criticize anybody else, you lived in the most failed countries in existence in terms of the left you are in no place to offer advice to anyone. You need to clean up your own act by purging yourself of all these soc dem proclivities and parasocial entertainment attachments within the western left.
Hasan is a huge part of the western left now
indictable offence
Hmm I wonder why the western left sucks? Couldn’t be because it’s “thought leaders” are a bunch of wikipedia reading radlibs
No I’m talking about the haters on the left.
Just because someone’s enemies suck doesn’t make them good. Trump and his MAGA people hate AOC. That doesn’t make AOC good.
Holy shit
Oh, I’m sorry I thought we were talking about haters with actual relevance and not random twitter ex-berniecrat lefties whining about electoralism to an audience of…no one
How foolish of me to assume some level of seriousness when concerning this site’s knee-jerk freakouts about Hasan
We are on a website talking about the discourse on this website. Why are you bringing in unrelated things like Twitter or Vaush?
You literally said “Hasan’s haters” without any clarification
It’s not my fault you forgot ALL his top ten haters are right-wing pedos
Reddit moment
lmao
What reformism does to a mf 😞
Why do you think BadEmpanada is literally any better than Hasan?
All streamers are bad because streaming is bad praxis.
One is a succ dem loser, the other is a socialist mocking him from the left with correct criticism. One is objectively better than the other here.
Besides, it’s irrelevant who is “better”. This post is pointing out Hasan’s disgusting action that he took. Because BadEmpanada made a criticism of it suddenly you rally around Hasan and derail the critcisim into petty squabbling? Honestly this type of parasocial attachment is pathetic and a big problem on this site.
Oh and you are not also engaged in petty squabbling? Get the fuck off your high horse. BE isn’t on your side anymore than he is Hasan’s “Z-poster”.
Hasan is also an obnoxious streamer who arguably does more damage than good, I even said I don’t even necessarily include him as part of ‘the left’ but I was saying that BE annoys me more personally because of his consistent support of imperialist talking points. It doesn’t fucking matter if you ‘critique Hasan from the left’ or not, you have no actual method of affecting him as the majority of his audience at this point is based on people thirsting for him. If he didn’t learn earlier in his career he’s not gonna learn now. I am not ‘rallying around Hasan’, so don’t fucking strawman me.
Edit: Fuck’s sake.
Of course BE sucks, he’s just right here and in many other cases where he criticizes “breadtube” westoids
I don’t expect Hasan to listen to leftwing critique. He’s an opportunist social fascist like the rest. I expect better from communists and marxists on this site than to bend themselves into pretzels defending him due to their parasocial failures. Really, I’m not criticizing Hasan here - it’s a settled argument that social democracy in the west is not revolutionary and is reactionary. There’s no discussion to be had, the “ultras” won this argument decades ago and it’s more true than ever. What i’m ultimately criticizing is people in this thread and on this site who call themselves “communists” who just act indistinguishable from breadtube leftoids, who espouse Social Democracy instead of Communism. Who, whenever a discussion is raised here between the radicals and the leftwing of fascism side with the latter for some reason instead of just joining us in derision.
We would probably not even talk abut Hasan much if he wasn’t argued over and defended constantly on obviously hypocritical grounds. If you just joined in the choir the post would have 5 comments of people making jokes and 1 post every couple months or whatever. It’s constant and controversial because you fight back and apologize on behalf of the obviously wrong party. The many biases that cause western leftists to do this sort of thing have been long discussed and outlined.
Oh good. I don’t care if he is correct here. One of my overarching goals on this forum is to repeatedly bring up that BE is bad and shouldn’t be posted until I don’t see him anymore, much like you do with Hasan, except I was specifically addressing what was posted, and you were addressing me as if I am part of this ‘Hasan fan club’ you apply to the forum at large. Way to universalize the particular there, definitely makes it seem like you are talking to me in good faith.
If a link to BE wasn’t posted, I would just made fun of streamers in general, Hasan in particular, and moved on. That said, Hasan will likely remain in the political zeitgeist as long as he keeps his good looks, and so will unfortunately come up in discussions of American political culture. It’s fighting a losing battle. BE, on the other hand, as no actual relevance outside of niche leftist streamer bullshit and if he can’t even clear the hurdle of anti-imperialism I don’t know why we should ever have to hear from him on anything.
Yes, social democracy is a dead end, and Hasan is bad and not a socialist. And BE is bad and him criticizing Hasan correctly doesn’t mean we have to hear from him. And some people here would sell out their weak communist principles (because very few people here are actually part of a socialist party) for a whiff of social democracy, and that sucks and is bad. If we agree on these things, we are on the same page. If not, idk where we can go from here but I’m sure we’ll find out.
I don’t disagree with anything you said, they both suck, and agree I should have used “we” instead of “you” because I wasn’t really directing it ultimately at you so much but it definitely reads as that. I was directing it at this community in general, this thread, and several prominent users. I apologize for the vague posting.
Hasan was the subject of attack in the post itself, and I was coming at this as a meta-discourse whereas you were responding to it being a BE video which I didn’t watch nor pay attention to. We were talking past each other here.
Thank you for the apology. We definitely were. Good luck on the proselytizing.
If streaming is bad praxis, the bigger streamer would be doing worse praxis
Possibly. If the action is bad praxis because it is taken, the size of the audience does not matter. If the action is bad praxis because of the affect on the audience, then the size does matter. Both are at play here.
To drop the pretense of objectivity, BE annoys me far more because he himself is such a dead-ender and seems to exist purely to bottom-feed off of criticizing the actions of other leftists. I’m not even necessarily including Hasan in that category, it’s just that that is all BE seems to fucking do.
criticizing the actions of other leftists
Which other leftists as of recent? He just shits on individual fascists and fascist countries like pissrael
There have been multiple videos of him criticizing Venezuela and China, but only when there are conflicts placing them in the spotlight. In particular, he was against Maduro banning the Communist Party of Venezuela, calling the elections illegitimate, despite the fact that they had been actively calling for external intervention in the country. I’m not exactly sure what he expected to happen.
Maybe he has shifted focus, but he’s always been incredibly perjorative and rarely well informed.
He’s also under the illusion that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was wrong and that Ukraine is handily defeating Russia.
Oh right yeah thats true, I thought you meant individual leftist youtubers.
He could have been doing that as well, idk. The only time I come across his content is when it is posted here. I am not a fan of back-seat drivers, particularly ones that don’t actually have a plan of action outside of stirring the pot.
Well his channel has been consistently pro-Palestine for a very long time, most of his videos since Al-Aqsa flood have been about the genocide and ethnic cleansing. He is a coping in that he attributes more importance to his channel than what is warranted but from what I have seen, his content is generally good on Palestine.
Yeah stop hosting these two faced, unprincipled striver motherfuckers. Too many politicians pull the AOC shit to get progressives to boost them. I’m a communist but in power I’m a fucking right wing genocide supporting poser.
AOC isn’t even the first. Obama was the first. And AOC will be fine. The liberal establishment will embrace her. She used progressives to get into the position where the establishment had to recognize her and then she sold out.
Obama was the first.
Not by a long shot. Succdems have been pulling this shit since Lenin was knee high to a grasshopper
Not by a long shot. Succdems have been pulling this shit since Lenin was knee high to a grasshopper
True. This is just the latest interation. The dying democratic party iteration.
and we still have people falling for it 130 years later…
Bernie has rolled over more times than a circus dog.
You can never be adversarial, or you might not get such distinguished guests in the future 🫠
Vidal was a fucking lib, but his cattiness by itself became a legend
The best libs are
comrades 
, rejecting acceptable polite society framings outright, doing some prepwork for their show instead of vibing through (not that they do adversarial interviews or have debate perversions). Or theory bros at least reading books and discussing themguess millionaire can’t hire a guy to do prep work, cause that would reduce cash flow huh
There’s a reason we called him Matt Suss during the campaign.
He was associated with the Center for American Progress, which was a
, Podesta, and 
(S)neera Tanden (Bernie Bros, Russophobia) , and John Podesta (Clinton campaign manager stink tank operation. IMO He was a key to get Bernie on board with Russiagate Red Scare bullshit to defelct from the Clinton machine Red Baiting Bernie over his Moscow honeymoon.Also here’s Hasan’s FU IDC aren’t I radical enough for you? I mean “Let’s talk about it.”
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
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Given that he already said his critics were trying to cancel him, do you expect we’ll see an honest apology or will he double down?
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