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Gross response.

Here’s the Bad Empanada video I finessed this title from. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69BlRK9Jql0

Rare Hasan L. Why the fuck is he doubling down on this? Does Bernie really mean that much to you Hasan? hasan-smash

  • btbt [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    302·
    2 months ago

    My Hasan take is that he gets so much bad faith criticism from the worst people on the planet that he’s started to view any criticism as hostile off the bat as a kind of defense mechanism, which is super disappointing even though I kinda get it

    • worlds_okayest_mech_pilot [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      13·
      2 months ago

      This has also been my read on him for quite a while now. Which is aggravating because I’ve seen him ruin some really good talking points just by getting dragged into a hostile response to a standard-sounding question.

          • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
            51·
            2 months ago

            Parasocial whining and dishonest rumor-mill bullshit is not “criticism from the left”

            When I see real counter-analysis and critique that doesn’t arise from cultural and social media “vibes” then I’ll take it seriously

            • starkillerfish [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
              16·
              2 months ago

              my critique of hasan is very simple:

              1. broadly he has a DSA-right / Democrat-left position on the party-building, which is progressivising the Dems. Because of this, he barely covers anything that the PSL does, if at all + he is attached to the Dems so much that he normalizes the party as leftist (by doing interviews with Dems, not pressuring AOC or Bernie, going to the DNC etc etc.).
              2. he has absolutely atrocious takes on Ukraine. in the same interview with Duss he agrees that USA is “on the right side” of the war. this past week he was also pushing the “trump and putin are gay” meme which is gross.
              3. he has weird “china is doing cultural genocide” takes. he rarely brings it up, so its not as a big deal to me like the other two points, but it also signals to me that hasan doesn’t really have a coherent analysis.

              i dont know if this counts for you as parasocial whining and / or dishonest rumor-mill bullshit. i am happy to expand on my points further if necessary

              edit: another minor point that i remembered is that in context of defending relaxed immigration policies, he often calls US a “nation of immigrants”, which is a common liberal take (rather than recognising the US as a settler colonial state.)

              • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
                51·
                2 months ago

                not pressuring AOC

                He slammed AOC hard during her recent fuck up

                he barely covers anything that the PSL does

                I mean WE barely cover anything the PSL does, Hasan is not qualified to lead the third party charge, and frankly I don’t hold that expectation for him

                he has absolutely atrocious takes on Ukraine. in the same interview with Duss he agrees that USA is “on the right side” of the war. this past week he was also pushing the “trump and putin are gay” meme which is gross.

                There we go, some actual critique with substance, I feel like I’ve seen a unicorn

                he has weird “china is doing cultural genocide” takes. he rarely brings it up, so its not as a big deal to me like the other two points, but it also signals to me that hasan doesn’t really have a coherent analysis.

                He more than makes up for it with his regular China glazing videos where he showcases Chinese infrastructure to the normies he babysits

                My position on Hasan is simple: He’s a pipeline, he introduces baby-level leftism to lotus eating Americans who will never in a million years listen to anything people like us have to say, leftists who ignore the usefulness of Hasan or the nature of his political work strike me as whiners with unrealistic expectations for what should be considered a tool, the man is a tool, a resource, don’t worship him but also don’t sit there yelling at a basic utility because it didn’t help you build a rocket ship to FULL COMMUNISM

                Leftists look at a pipeline, smash a spigot into it and then complain about the taste, it’s not for you and the constant hunt for reasons (most of them wrong) to dismiss that resource is counter-productive

                • starkillerfish [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  10·
                  2 months ago

                  He slammed AOC hard during her recent fuck up

                  i was not aware of this. i was more referring to his interviews with her that never push back on her shitty positions. from what i see he does critisise the dems a lot on stream, but still never breaks from them completely. which is what i think makes his stance aligned with DSA-right (and now the DSA is also broadly against AOC, so it makes sense why he would critique her)

                  I mean WE barely cover anything the PSL does, Hasan is not qualified to lead the third party charge, and frankly I don’t hold that expectation for him

                  that is fair. i would like him to use his platform to do it, but i also think it is unlikely

                  There we go, some actual critique with substance, I feel like I’ve seen a unicorn

                  unicorn is my second name

                  He more than makes up for it with his regular China glazing videos where he showcases Chinese infrastructure to the normies he babysits

                  also fair. i just personally dont like the trend of showing good infrastructure as a proxy of good politics. its not super principled. cool infrastructure is not why we support china.

                  on your last point, i disagree with the “hasan is a pipeline for baby leftists”. i know im in the minority on this one, but ive only really heard anecdotal evidence which seems more like survivors bias (ergo, evidence only from people who “went through the pipeline”). i know way way way more people who became principled leftist organisers for other reasons than political streamers or youtubers. which is why “he is a pipeline” argument seems to me as an excuse for bad politics really. my logic to criticising hasan is the same as for any public figure who positions themself as left / socialist.

                  • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
                    5·
                    2 months ago

                    on your last point, i disagree with the “hasan is a pipeline for baby leftists”. i know im in the minority on this one, but ive only really heard anecdotal evidence which seems more like survivors bias

                    While it may seem strange to you or me, the dude really does have a hilariously radicalizing effect on certain people, his TikToks are further proof of this, and while I disagree with him on his “grading on a curve” idea concerning politicians, I ironically enough do hold to the idea of grading on a curve when it comes to pipelines and entertainers, otherwise we leftists would never have any fun

              • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
                2·
                2 months ago

                I don’t even watch him, frankly his style and niceness annoys me, but I know his uses and i know the difference between good faith criticism and bullshit contrarian nonsense

          • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
            41·
            2 months ago

            Hasan is a huge part of the western left now, like it or not nobody would call himself a leftist and a “Hasan hater” at the same time and be taken seriously or without serious questions. Self identifying with the “haters” is an obvious bait flag imo.

            If you don’t want to be misunderstood why not clarify the criticism? Fuck Hasan he doesn’t deserve uncritical support, but people are definitely not realizing how close they are to repeating the same talking points as his enemies imo.

            • starkillerfish [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
              11·
              2 months ago

              Hasan is a huge part of the western left now, like it or not nobody would call himself a leftist and a “Hasan hater” at the same time and be taken seriously or without serious questions.

              im not sure what you mean. since when is not hating a media figure a pre-requisite for being leftist?

              If you don’t want to be misunderstood why not clarify the criticism?

              i did do that in another comment

            • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]@hexbear.netBannedEnglish
              10·
              2 months ago

              I’m talking about Hasan haters on this website. Who are objectively correct.

              You can’t even defend Hasan on his own merits, cause you know he’s just a succ dem lib. So you drag in AES nations you don’t live in to an unrelated discussion. Fucking weirdo, you need to remove the beam from thine own eye before you criticize anybody else, you lived in the most failed countries in existence in terms of the left you are in no place to offer advice to anyone. You need to clean up your own act by purging yourself of all these soc dem proclivities and parasocial entertainment attachments within the western left.

        • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]@hexbear.netBannedEnglish
          6·
          2 months ago

          No I’m talking about the haters on the left.

          Just because someone’s enemies suck doesn’t make them good. Trump and his MAGA people hate AOC. That doesn’t make AOC good.