• purpleworm [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    It drives me crazy how people say Kamala’s election would have been a better outcome. Yes, her presidency in a very, very proximate sense would have been less malignant, but allowing a dem to win by pivoting even further right than Biden and literally endorsing crank Republican policy points like the wall would be catastrophic if your window of observation extends past 4 years.

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      Right?! They have no far-seeing view. Okay, so Kamala wins from pivoting right, then the Republicans move more right, so the Dems will move right. How does no lib see that this eventually leads to the Dems shedding every group but maybe one more than the Republicans to appease the “moderate” (read: fascist) voter? Probably either white cis women or rich black cis people? The “who else are you going to for” logic only takes you so far if you want to actually help people’s material conditions.

      It’s awful the shit Trump is doing. And I would’ve loved it if Harris was elected, both to remove the spectacle of facsim, including this ICE shit, and so I could’ve rubbed it in every lib’s face when she kept doing the same shit as Biden, and I could use it to radicalize people away from the Democrat Party, instead of them being able to pretend the alternative universe where Harris is winning is sunshine and rainbows right now.

      But, if we want an actual opposition party that represents us: the EM PoC’s, trans people, immigrants, working-class, etc; then the opposition party needs to be punished for moving right. So in that way, I’m glad she lost.

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      Liberals will gladly offer up any minority group to the fascist Gods as long as they can maintain their comfort of doordash, funko pops, and unlimited access to porn.

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        The most important thing to them is feeling like they are fighting the power, while not sacrificing anything to do so. This is why they hate us so much; we break the illusion that they are doing any fighting at all. We remind them that they are, in effect, terrible people.

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    There’s something just so…disgusting about Blue MAGA. Like, far fouler than CHUDs. I think it is the way they act like things like supporting a genocide are somehow “moral” acts because “the republicans would be worse.” Never any evidence of that, and it has long gone past the most extreme conclusion you could go to with that sort of thing, even as a hypothetical.

    The CHUDs proudly wear their inhumanity on their sleeve, but Blue MAGA act like their reprehensibility is actually just a “strategic decision” and somehow makes them the more moral party. The Nazis back in the day would’ve behaved a lot more like Blue MAGA than the CHUDs, cloaking their reprehensible actions in the language of Capitalist Realism, “There’s no other option for us” “We didn’t want to to come to this but now we have no choice”.

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      A lot of Nazis would be somewhat closer to Republicans, let’s be honest. The Nazis characterized the violence as self-defense, but so do even the foulest Zionists. If you want a comparison point for the Dems, look at the liberals across Europe and the Anglosphere who enabled the Nazis.

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      There’s something just so…disgusting about Blue MAGA. Like, far fouler than CHUDs.

      Marx put it best: “[Vulgar economy] confines itself to systematising in a pedantic way, and proclaiming for everlasting truths, the trite ideas held by the self-complacent bourgeoisie with regard to their own world, to them the best of all possible worlds.”

      What are liberals if not the intellectual heirs of the same vulgar economists?

      Chuds on the other hand are basically anti-systematization. They’re willing to acknowledge the obvious, to override their own models when they fail. Of course, the ends are still evil, but without the pretense.

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      It’s the implication that you are in fact evil for not supporting their rendition of the same genocide. It is suggesting that calls to not genocide are weakening the movement to put rainbows and smiley faces on the graves of children.

      Chuds are openly evil. They relish in it. Dems try to sell evil under the trojan horse of harm reduction, effectively trying to neutralize the only real opposition to evil.

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    I wonder what the strategic ally wants to do with the land after finishing the genocide. I’m sure their reasons are a lot better than building condos since it apparently justifies a genocide. clueless

    But seriously, they are defending funding genocide but aghast at the concept of getting a kickback for funding the genocide? The liberal mind is a marvel.

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      Because libs reject the idea of “The ends justify the means” instead preferring “the means justify the ends.” It doesn’t matter how awful the end result is, or how good things become in the end, the only thing that matters to the lib is that they behave in a “civil” way while doing things, including genocide. So as long as Israel has enough “decorum” they don’t give a shit as to what happens.

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    Protection and promotion of capital in a noble, sophisticated sounding way versus protection and promotion of capital in a vulgar sounding way.

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    :captain-obvious: “Remember, kids, if you accept genocide as fait accompli and resort to parsing out differences in motives, you are no longer on the moral high ground.”

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    They were literally doing seminars about the new waterfront property investments in Gaza during the Biden administration. Here’s an ad ran by an Israeli real estate company that later backtracked this as a “”““joke:””“”