macerated_baby_presidents [he/him]

Sure. I’m vegan because animals don’t want to die. I’m totally cool with synthesized food (as long as it doesn’t need fetal bovine serum, etc). But on a practical level, I can’t see “lab-grown” anything becoming cheaper than animal products for a long time, because biology is just so efficient. A lot of the substitutes out there, I consider the $6 pint of fake ice cream and I instead pay $3 for a quart of Italian ice.

I think it has to do with traditional (religious? catholics) categorization of flesh into meat, poultry, and fish. they think “animals” means “meat”

vegans: animals have wants and needs

carnists: but what if APPLES had wants and needs? that’s why I am going to throw these live chicks into a grinder

The reason I’m vegan is to get other people to do it. This comm isn’t invite-only; carnists see it on Hexbear and in federated servers, and carnists come in and comment all the time. It’s fine that you personally are disgusted by the taste of flesh, but that has no moral weight. Transpose it slightly: a lot of tomatoes are picked by slaves. If we were trying to organize a tomato boycott we wouldn’t want “tomatoes taste like shit” to be widely agreed on by boycotters. In fact we would want to discourage that talk, to prevent people from saying “you guys don’t care about slavery you just don’t like tomatoes”. And it would be frustrating for boycotters to constantly hear others in the movement go on about how tomatoes are disgusting and how could anyone include that garbage in their meals to begin with, while they’re busy trying to make some pathetic bell pepper red sauce.

Idk I mostly want to uncouple the correct moral outrage at production from how stuff actually tastes. When carnists ask me if I miss meat, that’s an opportunity to say “sure, but it’s really important to not eat it” not “nah I never liked it anyway”. Maybe I’ll feel differently in a few more years; right now when I hear someone say they’re viscerally disgusted by like, seitan because it’s sort of vaguely like meat, I find it hard to believe.

we don’t eat animals not only because it is wrong but also because it is disgusting

I don’t eat animals because it’s wrong. They tasted great to me on the day I stopped. It’s true that my taste has changed as a consequence of not eating animals - after a restaurant miscommunication I discovered that butter tastes weird now - but focusing on that is counterproductive for external messaging. Carnists eat flesh and think it tastes good. You can’t convince them that it tastes gross and trying to do that will have you dismissed as a picky eater.