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Well after much hemming and hawwing I have finally decided to start hrt! I’ve got an appointment booked, anything I should know? I hear spiro kinda sucks, should I ask for something else?
Ask them if monotherapy is available and suitable for you. As a monotherapy user myself, I’ve not experienced many problems with hrt that others have. Also ask them if cypionate or enanthate is available.
But other than that, ideally, the doctor should be the one informing you. Though depending on many factors, the doctors might not tell you everything or might have incorrect information. Trans healthcare is in a poor state and you have to think for yourself.
Thanks! I’ll see what they say about monotherapy
Do note that monotherapy (usually) requires a form of hrt other than oral pills - usually injections, but some people are able to do it by taking pills sublingually (dissolving under the tongue) or bucally (dissolving between your gums and cheek).
There are other forms of hrt available but personally I favor injections because you don’t have to do them as often, and the results are consistent.
If you do end up needing to use an antiandrogen, it’s not the end of the world. It’s just nice to have one less set of side effects to deal with.
I think patches can be mono sometimes?
Yeah some people do well with just patches; those are worth a try if you like the idea of it.
Gel also works for mono and I really find it convenient, but not available everywhere.
On the other hand, I hear gel is pretty easy to make if you can get raw estradiol.
Na3N is right, don’t trust that your doctor is doing the right thing for you even if they are actually well-intentioned. This is a new science for them if they’ve even studied it extensively, and they are trained to be very risk averse. I have known very few trans girls that haven’t been under-dosed. The risks are very overstated with feminizing hrt. And you can push your levels much higher than many doctors think relatively safely.
I’ve heard (and seen) from so many trans girls that fat redistrinution really starts to take off after 2 years. This is all your mileage may vary, but don’t be disappointed if you don’t have the body shape you want even if your boobs are growing nicely already.
Cool, thank you! I assume it’s a matter of checking the blood work, etc to determine if I can or should up my dose and all that right? This is going to be an interesting experiment in self advocacy for me lol.
Yes, you absolutely need to be checking your blood work paper. Get tested right before you take your dose so it’s at the lowest it will be (trough). I’d probably just post the numbers here so people can help you make sure they’re good :cat-trans:
Okay! I’ll be sure to post some so all the cool people who live in my phone can help me get a good grade in girl
(personally) hoping to weight cycle with pio before then in hopes it will help me
What’s pio?
I don’t have the full explanation in front of me right now, but from what I’ve heard (and would probably do more research first) Pioglitazone helps new fat cells be created and with weight redistribution (especially belly, thighs, hips, face). It either helps take fat from subq to the other kind of fat or the other way around, whichever is the more “fem” one (sorry typing this out quickly and from memory). So people take it for a few months and gain and lose weight in that time to help redistribution go faster. Less belly/more hips/etc. more feminine fat placement.
I just heard about this drug and I think I’m in love with the concept.
Me too, like I said I need to do more research before I take it but it sounds promising. To diy it for 3 months (seems like roughly how long people take it for, its not good to take long term) its only like 65 bucks too. I feel like for that price and a few months self control it seems worth a try
Personally, I don’t really think spiro is all that bad (as long as you aren’t taking high doses of it), at least to start with for quicker results until E has time to reduce T levels. Especially if you don’t want to start with needles (needles scary imo, so I couldn’t start with them - I was still doubting whether I wanted HRT a bit, so fear of needles would have prevented me from actually using it). Some plus sides to injections is it gives you a lot more control over your own treatment (you can just ignore what the doctor recommends and choose whichever dose you think is most appropriate) and you can stockpile reserves more easily.
Needles are scary! I’ll probably ask about them eventually because I do like the upsides but I think I’ll also have to start with something easy haha
I did the traditional path, started with Spiro, added E, switched off Spiro for Cyproterone (in my country its the next anti androgen if spiro isnt preferable or not working as mych). I didnt have any issues during that. I suppose I wish I was started on E faster but it wasnt that long either - it took me longer to decide if I wanted hrt at all than the two months from starting anti androgen to taking estrogen.
People will tell you and warn you about underdosing in the official system. My own personal experience, I was very happy with thr ramp up and Ive been happy at my current dose - there were a lot of mental and emotional changes I dont think I would’ve been ready for at the time and I had actually requested a step back at one point after crying at work a bunch. I also receive an adequate dose now anyway. There is good evidence that trans women should generally be getting higher doses for what its worth. When you go in to get your levels tested they will ask you how youre feeling - when theyre deciding on doseages for HRT, lab values are part of it but so is how you feel inside. If you tell them “oh everything is fine” but you dont mean it, they wont know and you might end up with a lower dose. Do not fawn and tell your doctor you feel fine at your current dose if you do not in fact like the progress, results or feeling at your current dose you have to tell them how you are actually feeling.
Spiro is a dieuretic, its gonna make you pee more. Its potassium sparing (it makes your kidneys change up what electrolytes theyre pushing out and reabsorbing), so you should be mindful of your potassium intake and levels but dont get anxiety over it, youll notice internally something feels off and youll get lab work to make sure everything is in balance. I did feel a little different because my blood pressure was lower than I was used to but I adjusted after about a week.
They will ask you about fertility preservation. I couldnt afford it but I still got tested to see if there was a reason to worry about it anyway. I dont regret not freezing personally, I am way happier.
Thank you, this is super helpful! I do think I’ll just be happy to have the ball rolling regardless of method or dosage especially for this first appointment. And I’ll keep your words in mind when it comes time to evaluate my dosing.