Thread locked, so I can’t even reply to the mod there. The user was repeatedly told that 27 million Soviet citizens died in the fight against Nazism and repeatedly insisted that they deserved it. That’s unambiguous genocide denial unambiguously genocidal.
@Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com (Unruffled), I have to tag you here since you locked the thread on db0. Please point me to these Hexbear moderators that supposedly defended the fascist murder of almost 30 million people because their leaders were the wrong kind of leftist and weren’t banned for it. Forget demodding them, I’ll gladly petition the admins here to ban them for advocating genocide.
I noticed the following in your profile when I went to find your username to tag you.
“In every State, the government is nothing but a permanent conspiracy on the part of the minority against the majority, which it enslaves and fleeces.”
Mikhail Bakunin
Do you think your own ethics and philosophy (for example, this Bakunin quote) are consistent with the stance taken by _cryptagion? Logically, this user’s statements should be at least as repulsive to you as they are to us.
Aren’t anarchists supposed to be… you know, anti-hierarichal? So, like you shouldn’t be an antisemite and should de-associate or basically remove antisemities from their circle? I don’t necessarily believe the user is also endorsing Bakunin’s own antisemitism just through the Bakunin quote, but it does seem suspicious. (IDK lol)
I’m not even concerned with that, I can at least see the anarchist argument for separating some of Bakunin’s philosophy from his antisemitism - although I’d be cautious when doing that, that kind of extreme racial hatred is usually pervasive. I can’t see the anarchist argument for excusing or defending the statements from _cryptagion.
I can’t see the anarchist argument for excusing or defending the actions of _cryptagion.
Over something as silly as an internet link aggregator with a difference of ideology.
These types of “provocateur” posts are what we have to deal with from shitholes like 4chan soyjak and rdrama we don’t need it from federated instances especially from someone using their matrix rooms to coordinate it.
These types of “provocateur” posts are what we have to deal with from shitholes like 4chan soyjak and rdrama we don’t need it from federated instances especially from someone using their matrix rooms to coordinate it.
Seriously, it’s sad behavior. “Hmm today I will trick a younger person into advocating Nazi genocide to make the tankies mad.” That’s “reconsider your life and the decisions that led you here” stuff.
@Alaskaball@hexbear.net@CARCOSA@hexbear.net sorry to bother you both with this, but surely this isn’t the official policy of db0, an anarchist instance that we are federated with? That it’s OK to say nearly 30 million people deserved to be murdered and ethnically cleansed by fascist colonialism because they were citizens of the USSR and therefore “Authoritarian”? I have to believe that these moderators don’t represent instance policy there.
Yes this is no bother and quite disgusting to he honest.
However inaction was predicted by some mods. I mean sure sometimes hexbear users go into divisionsby0 posts to discuss and argue but I am very sure that we don’t have hexbear users making “provocateur” posts in their communities let alone celebrating the death of millions, no?
Even on the topic of historical disagreements and violence between ML and anarchists I know hexbear users would focus on the historical events or ideological discussion not “lol all those anarchists deserved to die”
Let’s see if any examples can be found for hexbear users making “provocateur” posts.
As long as this user who is encouraging members of divisonsbyzero to make posts that celebrate genocide is a member of their modteam it is not a safe instance to federated with.
If you would like to make a defederation request it is understandable as this goes beyond one admin or one user and speaks to what content is ok for an instance as well the fact that of we remain federated there is no way to know that we won’t have more of their users encouraged by the provocateur to make gleeful posts about the death of millions aka genocide.
If you would like to make a defederation request it is understandable as this goes beyond one admin or one user and speaks to what content is ok for an instance as well the fact that of we remain federated there is no way to know that we won’t have more of their users encouraged by the provocateur to make gleeful posts about the death of millions aka genocide.
I’ll personally hold off on requesting anything until this is concluded fully, because what I’ve seen from other db0 users has not been like this and I’d rather give the instance a chance to correct this problem.
Thanks for the reply, glad to see our admins are on top of this.
I have to say, I’ve generally seen OK posts from other db0 users. Nothing that would have led me to believe that they would say or condone anything like this.
Yeah, I personally dislike the instance owner and have found them totally rancid in the past, but not only have most db0 users that bother to post here been alright, I think the instance owner has gotten a lot better (not that I like them now, but I respect them in some facets) to the point that I’m surprised they’re okay with this.
All they did was cite a “faux pas” of trolling on another forum with no commentary on the content, and said that outing _crypt was a bad thing to do that reduces trust!
A young divisionbyzero person was manipulated by cryptagion in the divionsbyzero matrix chat into posting that soviet citizens deserved genocide and the admins are blaming the young person for snitching instead of the person that gleefully says that millions of Soviet citizens deserved to die.
As far as their public statement in that thread, that’s what db0 said. Unruffled had a somewhat sterner tone in that thread toward crypt, but then nothing transpired as we can see from this thread.
That’s true, I forgot about that. Still, I think that was prior to the user in question majorly crashing out all over that thread and explicitly saying 27 million people deserved to be genocided, so that opinion might have changed.
Thread locked, so I can’t even reply to the mod there. The user was repeatedly told that 27 million Soviet citizens died in the fight against Nazism and repeatedly insisted that they deserved it. That’s
unambiguous genocide denialunambiguously genocidal.It’s worse than genocide denial. It’s saying they deserved to be genocided.
@Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com (Unruffled), I have to tag you here since you locked the thread on db0. Please point me to these Hexbear moderators that supposedly defended the fascist murder of almost 30 million people because their leaders were the wrong kind of leftist and weren’t banned for it. Forget demodding them, I’ll gladly petition the admins here to ban them for advocating genocide.
I noticed the following in your profile when I went to find your username to tag you.
Do you think your own ethics and philosophy (for example, this Bakunin quote) are consistent with the stance taken by _cryptagion? Logically, this user’s statements should be at least as repulsive to you as they are to us.
Fitting that someone running interference for a Nazi apologist has a quote from a rabid antisemite in their profile
Aren’t anarchists supposed to be… you know, anti-hierarichal? So, like you shouldn’t be an antisemite and should de-associate or basically remove antisemities from their circle? I don’t necessarily believe the user is also endorsing Bakunin’s own antisemitism just through the Bakunin quote, but it does seem suspicious. (IDK lol)
The action here seems obvious anyway.
Whatever label he applies to himself, he’s a liberal, and liberals hate socialists more than they hate fascists.
I’m not even concerned with that, I can at least see the anarchist argument for separating some of Bakunin’s philosophy from his antisemitism - although I’d be cautious when doing that, that kind of extreme racial hatred is usually pervasive. I can’t see the anarchist argument for excusing or defending the statements from _cryptagion.
Over something as silly as an internet link aggregator with a difference of ideology.
These types of “provocateur” posts are what we have to deal with from shitholes like 4chan soyjak and rdrama we don’t need it from federated instances especially from someone using their matrix rooms to coordinate it.
Ironically being a nazi is still being a nazi and it’s used as cover by neo-nazis all time.
Seriously, it’s sad behavior. “Hmm today I will trick a younger person into advocating Nazi genocide to make the tankies mad.” That’s “reconsider your life and the decisions that led you here” stuff.
@Alaskaball@hexbear.net @CARCOSA@hexbear.net sorry to bother you both with this, but surely this isn’t the official policy of db0, an anarchist instance that we are federated with? That it’s OK to say nearly 30 million people deserved to be murdered and ethnically cleansed by fascist colonialism because they were citizens of the USSR and therefore “Authoritarian”? I have to believe that these moderators don’t represent instance policy there.
Yes this is no bother and quite disgusting to he honest.
However inaction was predicted by some mods. I mean sure sometimes hexbear users go into divisionsby0 posts to discuss and argue but I am very sure that we don’t have hexbear users making “provocateur” posts in their communities let alone celebrating the death of millions, no?
Even on the topic of historical disagreements and violence between ML and anarchists I know hexbear users would focus on the historical events or ideological discussion not “lol all those anarchists deserved to die”
Let’s see if any examples can be found for hexbear users making “provocateur” posts.
As long as this user who is encouraging members of divisonsbyzero to make posts that celebrate genocide is a member of their modteam it is not a safe instance to federated with.
If you would like to make a defederation request it is understandable as this goes beyond one admin or one user and speaks to what content is ok for an instance as well the fact that of we remain federated there is no way to know that we won’t have more of their users encouraged by the provocateur to make gleeful posts about the death of millions aka genocide.
I’ll personally hold off on requesting anything until this is concluded fully, because what I’ve seen from other db0 users has not been like this and I’d rather give the instance a chance to correct this problem.
Thanks for the reply, glad to see our admins are on top of this.
You are welcome, let’s hope as I agree there are hundreds of members of divisions by 0 that we delightful.
It is sad one genocide enthusiast with a penchant for manipulating young people is without consequences.
I hope enough db0 users know about this shit and not let it slide
I dunno, the db0 posters that come to hexbear posts have been cool, but I had to block the instance as a whole. Way too many shit takes from shitbags
Personally have always seen db0 as a historically illiterate radlib instance.
I have to say, I’ve generally seen OK posts from other db0 users. Nothing that would have led me to believe that they would say or condone anything like this.
Idk, on .ml nearly every time i see db0 user in thread about communism or imperialism it’s always either antitankie anarkkkidy or ordinary (rad)lib.
Yeah, I personally dislike the instance owner and have found them totally rancid in the past, but not only have most db0 users that bother to post here been alright, I think the instance owner has gotten a lot better (not that I like them now, but I respect them in some facets) to the point that I’m surprised they’re okay with this.
In defense of the owner, I’ve not yet seen them express an opinion about this, so they might not actually be okay with it.
They sort of did:
https://hexbear.net/comment/6581332
All they did was cite a “faux pas” of trolling on another forum with no commentary on the content, and said that outing _crypt was a bad thing to do that reduces trust!
So I have this right:
A young divisionbyzero person was manipulated by cryptagion in the divionsbyzero matrix chat into posting that soviet citizens deserved genocide and the admins are blaming the young person for snitching instead of the person that gleefully says that millions of Soviet citizens deserved to die.
As far as their public statement in that thread, that’s what db0 said. Unruffled had a somewhat sterner tone in that thread toward crypt, but then nothing transpired as we can see from this thread.
That’s true, I forgot about that. Still, I think that was prior to the user in question majorly crashing out all over that thread and explicitly saying 27 million people deserved to be genocided, so that opinion might have changed.
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Yea, that’s genocide support.