I think there are two things here that are true at the same time. One, Israel despite its claims isn’t synonymous with Judaism. And two, most Jews love and support Zionism. It’s kind of like whiteness and white people I think.
I think it’s just a brute fact that most Jewish people are Zionists and you can fact check me on the global polling if you want. FWIW I’m including squishy libbed up two state solution Zionism as Zionism, because it is Zionism.
Cool it with the “brute facts” man. “Global Polling” is funded by think-tanks. Who do you think those are funded by? The bourgeoisie.
The Elites of Israel, the U.S. and every colonized land are the same.
Meanwhile the proletariat are the only ones who pay the price of scapegoating religious and ethnic groups.
I understand your reservations about Israel being included in a two-state solution, but you sound like a “squishy” fed.
This is the same argument people use to say Chinese people actually hate their government. Generally I’m inclined to believe polling that has transparent and sound methodology even I don’t like the results.
It’s creepy to me that you think this position warrants fedjacketing.
The Elites of Israel, the U.S. and every colonized land are the same.
Not when you consider global hegemony, resource extraction and what proletariat benefits from another. Despite your dismissal, the support of Israel amongst most Jewish people is no different to me than the significant amount of Catholics who believe in atrocious policies regarding abortion, childbirth, etc. Of course, the political topics are different; but there is a overwhelming, prevalent culture of believing in “divine” moral paradigms from birth. Like abortion is wrong, Israel has a right to exist and belongs to their holy land, etc.
Regardless, the proletariat in Israel and the United States are a part of the imperial core; having much more in relation to their oppressing class than the proletariat of the global majority whom their land, resources and people are exploited, extracted and used on a scale far larger than anywhere in the core. American and Israeli citizens aren’t being wrapped up in a genocide.
the proletariat are the only ones who pay the price of scapegoating religious and ethnic groups.
There’s a litany of reasons to criticize every religious belief on this planet; but christianity and judaism as well as Islam have deserved plenty of it. Pointing out the decades of religious indoctrination, propaganda from the bourgeoise in Israel and America and fundamentalism isn’t scape-goating. It’s the “brute facts” that seemingly touched a “nerve” of yours. Jews are of many cultures and their religion and ethnic groups aren’t inherently tied.
two-state solution
There is only one state, Palestine. Imagine someone saying this about Ireland. Israel as a genocidal and religious state should not exist. No religious state should exist. Most Jews indigenous to the region/semitic are treated as second-class citizens.
Hey dude I’m not reading all that oblique trigger-worded bullshit. Conflating Judaism with Israel means you’re buying into bourgeoisie ethnostate propaganda. Every fucking rightoid shithead has a similar mentality as you. You know where this shit leads? Check your phone.
Nobody here is conflating Judaism with Israel. We all know those are two different things. What we are doing is looking at polling about support for Israel among Jews and the result is not good.
Look up national depression polls. You’ll see the results change entirely based on who is doing the study. You really think most jews are on board with this shit? But you’ll still say zionism is different from judaism?
Conflating Judaism with Israel means you’re buying into bourgeoisie ethnostate propaganda
“conflating abortion propaganda with Christians that make up the majority of the country, rule the country and in a nation with a long history of Christian violence means you’re buying into bourgeoisie ethnostate propaganda”
Hey dude I’m not reading / >Every fucking rightoid shithead has a similar mentality as you.
Can you read? If so, you’d maybe discover why rightoids have a bit of a different philosophy. But I suppose if you want to be mentally infantile you can just group stuff together based on the category of “I don’t like it and I don’t wanna read it”. Very easy way to live life which explains why you’re saying half the shit you are!
Hard to get a great answer but nearly half of all Jews live in Israel where support for the genocide is near universal and whenever you see polling of various Jewish diaspora communities there tend to be a lot of Zionists. It’s highly likely that it is at least a plurality if not a strict majority of Jewish people that are Zionists.
Do you have statistics that say that most Jewish people don’t support Israel? People critique polls but rarely provide alternative evidence to the math Blakey brought up
It’s cool, obviously antisemitism is shitty, but compared to what’s happening to the Palestinians right now I really don’t give a fuck.
“Huge hug to our white comrades who have to be subjected to the brainworms of Nazi family members”
You do realize there are Jews that are not European right? Like what the actual anti-semitic fuck?!
That comment was VERY clearly directed at Jewish comrades that have to deal with the shit YOU are fucking perpetuating.
You should be fuckin ashamed of yourself.
I think there are two things here that are true at the same time. One, Israel despite its claims isn’t synonymous with Judaism. And two, most Jews love and support Zionism. It’s kind of like whiteness and white people I think.
I do not think it is most Jewish people, that’s a bold claim
I think it’s just a brute fact that most Jewish people are Zionists and you can fact check me on the global polling if you want. FWIW I’m including squishy libbed up two state solution Zionism as Zionism, because it is Zionism.
Cool it with the “brute facts” man. “Global Polling” is funded by think-tanks. Who do you think those are funded by? The bourgeoisie. The Elites of Israel, the U.S. and every colonized land are the same. Meanwhile the proletariat are the only ones who pay the price of scapegoating religious and ethnic groups. I understand your reservations about Israel being included in a two-state solution, but you sound like a “squishy” fed.
This is the same argument people use to say Chinese people actually hate their government. Generally I’m inclined to believe polling that has transparent and sound methodology even I don’t like the results.
It’s creepy to me that you think this position warrants fedjacketing.
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If you wanna call people Feds for believing polling ok I guess but it’s a you problem.
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Not when you consider global hegemony, resource extraction and what proletariat benefits from another. Despite your dismissal, the support of Israel amongst most Jewish people is no different to me than the significant amount of Catholics who believe in atrocious policies regarding abortion, childbirth, etc. Of course, the political topics are different; but there is a overwhelming, prevalent culture of believing in “divine” moral paradigms from birth. Like abortion is wrong, Israel has a right to exist and belongs to their holy land, etc.
Regardless, the proletariat in Israel and the United States are a part of the imperial core; having much more in relation to their oppressing class than the proletariat of the global majority whom their land, resources and people are exploited, extracted and used on a scale far larger than anywhere in the core. American and Israeli citizens aren’t being wrapped up in a genocide.
There’s a litany of reasons to criticize every religious belief on this planet; but christianity and judaism as well as Islam have deserved plenty of it. Pointing out the decades of religious indoctrination, propaganda from the bourgeoise in Israel and America and fundamentalism isn’t scape-goating. It’s the “brute facts” that seemingly touched a “nerve” of yours. Jews are of many cultures and their religion and ethnic groups aren’t inherently tied.
There is only one state, Palestine. Imagine someone saying this about Ireland. Israel as a genocidal and religious state should not exist. No religious state should exist. Most Jews indigenous to the region/semitic are treated as second-class citizens.
Hey dude I’m not reading all that oblique trigger-worded bullshit. Conflating Judaism with Israel means you’re buying into bourgeoisie ethnostate propaganda. Every fucking rightoid shithead has a similar mentality as you. You know where this shit leads? Check your phone.
Nobody here is conflating Judaism with Israel. We all know those are two different things. What we are doing is looking at polling about support for Israel among Jews and the result is not good.
Look up national depression polls. You’ll see the results change entirely based on who is doing the study. You really think most jews are on board with this shit? But you’ll still say zionism is different from judaism?
Fuck you people. This isn’t leftism.
“conflating abortion propaganda with Christians that make up the majority of the country, rule the country and in a nation with a long history of Christian violence means you’re buying into bourgeoisie ethnostate propaganda”
Can you read? If so, you’d maybe discover why rightoids have a bit of a different philosophy. But I suppose if you want to be mentally infantile you can just group stuff together based on the category of “I don’t like it and I don’t wanna read it”. Very easy way to live life which explains why you’re saying half the shit you are!
It’s scapegoating to say polling suggests religious people support the ethnostate that professes to be theirs?
Yeah if that shit is funded by bourgeois think tanks that have a vested interest in colonization you fucking idiot.
So you have no evidence that most Jews oppose Israel because all data is conspiracy?
Exactly Adrien Zenz bullshit just deployed in defense of an ingroup
Hard to get a great answer but nearly half of all Jews live in Israel where support for the genocide is near universal and whenever you see polling of various Jewish diaspora communities there tend to be a lot of Zionists. It’s highly likely that it is at least a plurality if not a strict majority of Jewish people that are Zionists.
Do you have statistics that say that most Jewish people don’t support Israel? People critique polls but rarely provide alternative evidence to the math Blakey brought up
I didn’t see anyone show math here, it was a vibes based statement, If there are numbers I’ll look at em
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/02/how-us-jews-are-experiencing-the-israel-hamas-war/
Pre 10/7, but useful
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-connections-with-and-attitudes-toward-israel/
UK
https://www.jpr.org.uk/reports/year-after-october-7-british-jewish-views-israel-antisemitism-and-jewish-life
A new poll dropped today from WaPo
https://archive.ph/20251004133446/https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/10/06/jewish-americans-israel-poll-gaza/
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Yeah, no good. Sorry for bombarding you, I just didn’t want to seem like I was talking out of my ass