• BeanisBrain [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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    I have to wonder whether these people are being cynical or if they actually believe

    1. that support for a genocide is an inextricable part of Jewish identity
    2. that because it’s part of Jewish identity and Jews have historically been oppressed, any opposition to said genocide is oppression
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      Their minds have been melted by a complete zionist takeover of all their cultural and community organizations, combined with a weaponized Holocaust education meant to re-traumatize every new generation as much as possible. They’ve been made to feel they’re under siege no matter what is actually happening.

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      Zionists, Jewish & Christian, don’t believe Israel’s war on Gaza to be genocide because they consider any detraction to be anti-Semitic propaganda even if Israeli groups like B’tselem, associated Israeli or Jewish groups, or even the verbatim words of Israeli politicians and media figures expressing genocidal intent in very obvious terms and statements.

      It’s telling that when Dershowitz was confronted with one of the ICC prosecutors being a Jewish holocaust survivor that Dershowitz dismissed him not as anti-Semitic but as merely mistaken.

      It is unsaid but very obvious, that Israeli politics revolve around the notion that the existence of Palestinian people in their historic homeland is anti-Semitic, and therefore worthy of annihilation by violence or displacement.

    • A family member I know has a zionist friend like this. I heard them whining about their neice supposedly being “anti-semitic” (they’re Jewish too obviously) because they don’t unquestionably support Israel.

      Most zionists believe that if you do not support Israel, you’re basically a Nazi.

    • RiotDoll [she/her, she/her]@hexbear.net
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      the associative power of the human mind is wild. You can pair unlike or mutually exclusive ideas and over time the two become conceptually inseparable to most people. that’s kinda how so much stuff ends up going too, because it’s such a useful tool for the power hungry

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          I think actually it’s cognitive dissonance (because the two beliefs are conflicting)

          EDIT: Actually I just realized you probably meant the original post, not the guy you were directly responding to

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            No I’m responding directly. The purposeful conflation of terms to muddy definitions and confuse the argument is called equivocation

            Cognitive dissonance is a psychology phenomenon where people separate contradicting ideas they hold and place a barrier between them in their mind to avoid ever thinking of both at the same time because it causes pain, the same type of mental discomfort we experience when we are confronted with being wrong about something.

            Kind of the opposite of what they were discussing, where multiple things get shoved into one amorphous blob.

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      Honestly speaking, I think it’s just old fashioned colonialism and racism; the zionists in Israel took the land and the people they consider subhuman (Arabs) don’t have equal human rights and thus they don’t have the right to fight for their homes and for justice because that would require them to first believe Arabs are human beings. As for identifying with the Jews living in Israel, I think that’s just simply identifying with people who share a similar identity with you. If they saw Arabs as human beings, I think they’d have a harder time supporting Israel; it doesn’t help that media constantly, constantly, CONSTANTLY demonizes non-Western countries; it’s basically the reason people are fine with war crimes and interventions in non-Western countries but blow a gasket if something similar was attempted against us.

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      it’s the same as any other fascist cause. they’re constantly angry and they always have to be the victim. WASP manosphere types genuinely think that putting black people in commercials is an attack on them personally. why should zionists be any different?