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my favorite part of all of this is all the liberal whinging about places like China really hinges on the belief that you have free speech here but not there and now we’re all gonna get locked up for social media posts and shit. wow if I’m gonna have the authoritarianism it’d be nice to have the pro worker policy and constant improvement to society!
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extremism on migration,
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extremism on race,
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extremism on gender
they gonna lock maga up?
I’m certain that the document is referring to people who are anti-ICE, anti-racism, and anti-sexism/pro-LGBT. In the mind of the reactionary, extremism means going against their beliefs.
It says anti-capitalist and anti-trad fam so yes.
You don’t want to put migrants into concentration camps?
That’s prison.
You don’t want to reinstitute slavery?
That’s prison.
You think trans people are human beings?
That’s prison.
You don’t want to reinstitute slavery?
That’s prison.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
You don’t want to reinstitute slavery? Believe it or not, slavery
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Sounds like it’s going to be like 1950’s America again but without the economic prosperity
That “economic prosperity” only existed for
s anywayNow it doesn’t exist for those same crackers and they’re teeing it up so nobody will prosper. Wonder how that’s going to go.
anti-Christian
Good; show him the videos of Israelis spitting on, insulting and attacking Christians; also show him the videos of Israelis insulting Jesus
I didn’t think Trump would be the president who’d declare Israel a terror state and yet here we are!
Well, it's fine when they do it
Don’t forget Israel attacking Christian churches in Palestine on Easter Sunday!
Kind of looking like all signs are pointing to Trump being the american fascist with this. I know Norman Finkelstein disagrees because he claims there’s no left in the USA, and while I partially agree, like there’s no mass working class movement, I can’t see this as anything but a pre-emptive strike on any fomenting movements.
Finkelstein did not account for the fact that fascists always manufacture an opposition to justify itself regardless of whether there is an organized left domestically. Usually this means targeting a minority, or a perceived foreign threat.
I think Finkelstein’s thing isn’t that fascists need a real opposition to justify themselves, but that the militancy of fascism as a historical trend stems from defending capitalism from militant socialists/unionists/etc., and therefore is completely senseless for the ruling class to allow if it’s not actually fighting something. Obviously there are things like military dictatorships that have existed when the left was non-existent or just a bunch of libs.
It does not matter if there is an organized opposition. The only thing that matters is that Capitalism (in the case of the US, total world domination) is suffering set-backs. The cause of these set-backs does not matter. Even if they are completely self-inflicted, a price must be paid in blood.
So are we gonna sit back and let it happen, or are we going to organize and fight before history repeats itself?
As an outsider I’d be shocked if Americans did anything
Yeah but I would like to stay alive.
Trying to stay positive…
Can’t let these shits win
History is already repeating, and organizing when fascism is already in control of all levers of power is kinda a bit too late. After all the millions of Rotfront fighters and KPD voters did not vanish when the nazis came into power and didnt overthrow the nazis, and the american left is a joke in comparison.
What should I do then? Wait to get sent to a death camp? Hide?
I don’t think trump is gonna live long enough to really establish the burger reich. Although there’s plenty of ghouls happy to take his place.
I don’t think the issuing party’s vacation of office, in any form, vacates the directives?
There’s a giant quiet left across the pond.
My pronouns are now patriot and christian
“Yes, officer, patriot is right over there. I was just talking to christian a minute ago… patriot’s definitely the one”
Hmm this really does seem like the opening salvo in a MAJOR escalation that goes beyond mere words or pandering to the base and sets the groundwork for uh not great things.
The Trump administration isn’t only targeting organizations or groups but even individuals and “entities” whom NSPM-7 says can be identified by any of the following “indica” (indicators) of violence:
- anti-Americanism,
- anti-capitalism,
- anti-Christianity,
- support for the overthrow of the United States Government,
- extremism on migration,
- extremism on race,
- extremism on gender
- hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family,
- hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on religion, and
- hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on morality.
Breaking this down a bit:
- extremism on migration,
Clearly to go after anyone against deportations, ICE, etc. Even someone just working the policy and judicial angle as say a lawyer who never attends protests would be a dangerous indicator of terrorism under this.
- extremism on race,
I have to wonder for some of these if it’s entirely up to the discretion of the cops doing the work or if there’s additional (secret) guidance defining these because on the surface this would certainly seem to suggest support for BLM or anything they deem “anti-white”
- extremism on gender
As with above I have to wonder if there’s additional secret guidance on the meaning of this one. Obviously trans rights activists (including any trans person who isn’t constantly denouncing their own existence I presume) would fall under this as would any feminists who are for abortion, are against the traditional 1950s Christian Protestant views on family, etc, etc.
The last three in the list are especially broad, vague, and therefore worrying but seem to reinforce the above and remove doubts about what extremism on race and gender are.
extremism on race,
I have to wonder for some of these if it’s entirely up to the discretion of the cops doing the work or if there’s additional (secret) guidance defining these
Come on now, you know cops are following
NSPM-7 is fundamentally a law enforcement directive, and it dispenses with the complications of using the active duty military or the National Guard in pursuit of political violence. It directs the Department of Justice to focus the FBI’s approximately 200 Joint Terrorism Task Forces (JTTFs) to the new mission. The FBI network of task forces comprises over 4,000 members—including FBI personnel and task force officers (or TFOs) from more than 500 state and local agencies and 50 federal agencies, including special agents, police officers, intelligence analysts and surveillance technicians. First established in New York City in 1980 to systematize FBI and NYPD cooperation, today there are task forces around the country, including at least one in each of the FBI’s 55 field offices.
Well there’s the reason he’s attacking Comey and the January 6 fbi agents right now. He’s terrorising them to scare anyone that might drag their feet on this.
Very critical to point out that this 4,000 member task force is not going to be enough to meaningfully enforce mass censorship and political repression across the country. It’ll be a gradual roll-out with the fascists seeking to make an example of groups and individuals that present themselves as easy or particularly prominent targets to try to scare everyone else into submission. That’ll backfire and they won’t really have the resources to handle the backlash without a pretty major mobilization.
Yeah my immediate thought upon reading this and the reason I quoted it was basically “ok so we already know what the exact precise hard limits for their manpower and work are”.
That information alone is valuable. It stops people from thinking “this is a limitless organisation of infinite power we are literally up against the entire United States” which is just not true at all but it’s how people perceive it without hard numbers.
Let me put this another way. I’m in orgs with more manpower than this here in the UK, and I’m sure some of you over there are too. You are bigger than they are.
Between the Antifa order and this, it seems like things are picking up steam.
I wish I was around people who at least cared, much less noticed, and weren’t Rightists. They’ll just think I’m exaggerating and paranoid as usual. It’ll probably be time to leave the country soon, guess we’ll see how this goes late 2025 and early 2026.
Stay safe, Comrades.
I don’t blame anyone for wanting to leave, I have to stay because I’m poor and disabled and leaving is pretty much an impossibility as most countries don’t want to take us.
Going down with the ship, I guess!
Well folks, it’s been nice while it lasted.
So which org gets targeted first?
The Democratic Party I bet.
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DSA?
Must be their attempt to detain U.S. citizens without trial or due process, if not now, in the future. Preventive prosecution.
The highest stage of imperialism is itching to start a big war right following steps out of falling apart ass department of war books, not just at home.
Unrelated, but kinda related. I went back and listened to some early Chapo because it’s been years since I’ve listened. They were seriously debating whether Trump was a fascist or not. I had totally forgotten about that debate in the Discourse TM. It seems like all the doomsayers were right but they called it too early. That means the second Jan 6 will probably not be as funny. First as farce, then as tragedy.
Do you remember the episode # or title at all? I’m getting into them recently and trying to watch their “best episodes” and others that might be more relevant.
I can’t remember the specific one. I listened to Ep 3 then I got mad at the audio being bad so I jumped ahead to the 20s. Maybe 26 when they went to the RNC?
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They dont, they just have to make people believe that they can.
