If you had to pigeon hole him, he’s kinda like a nature-loving red state liberal or libertarian. He likes the outdoors, camping, fishing, etc. He likes guns. He likes gaming. He’s bi and is accepting to LGBT issues. Probably has a more Unitarian view of religion than Mormonism. He had friends online and offline. He probably disagreed with his family over politics (like everyone else) but otherwise had a decent relationship with his family. Dude is milquetoast middle-America and the fact that Charlie Kirk was so annoying it made this guy shoot him is pretty damning for Kirk.
Kirk was incredibly annoying. Annoying enough for all this… well, clearly ol’ Tyler made his decision on that front (allegedly).
Being a “vaguely right winger with indescribable politics” is basically 90% of Americans though. I think this guy was definitely more dabbling in the 4chan style memes which are more right wing. Based on the bullet casings.
I did say before he was 100% a groyper. I later made a comment responding to someone where I sort of toned that down to 100% terminally online, 4chan, “gamer culture.” Basically aligned heavily and integrated into those communities based on the “memes.” 4chan, for the record, is packed to the gills with Nazis who are furries, pro-LGBTQ to varying degrees, etc. One moment they’re talking about hailing Adolf and the next they’re talking about wanting an anime catboy partner or whatever. It’s been that way for at least 15 years. (And of course many are super hardcore against any thing viewed as not “cishet white people” across the board.)
The political views the average American can simultaneously hold in their mind, while remaining resolute that they are not political views at all, is honestly incredible.
I thought there was a good chance he was a groyper, and now I would back that off to saying he was at a crossroads of sorts. It seems he could have been more extreme into several things but never quite committed to anything and touched grass too much for most hooks to grab him. He could have been a groyper, tankie, or blue maga but all those things require time he was not willing to give. A little more time, and maybe he would fall into a particular slot.
Then again, there is so much we will probably never see like his browsing history, all of his socials, anything the feds were too incompetent to find. Unless some serious stuff comes out in the trial, I don’t think we’ll ever have hard confirmation.
The texts in the indictment say he pretty much planned it in a week, which is kind of scary how disorganized and …“undermotivated?” his act of violence is.
ADHD people can really get a lot of work done under pressure
slackers get sh*t done 😤
Bushido says a lazy man is most dangerous, because he saves his strength, and labors only in warfare, when it matters most.
hell yeah
The government and MSM lying to pin something bad on the left is just another day ending in -y
Reposting what I posted in the other post:
Ok so it doesn’t look like he is a groyper and I’m happy to admit I was wrong about this. Definitely doesn’t seem like he was a leftist either. My biggest takeaway from this is… How the fuck does someone go from never being even remotely vocal about politics in Discord servers to… Feeling strongly enough about something political to go and shoot someone over it? Seems weird. Really fucking weird.
I wasn’t on the conspiracy train before, but this kinda has my gears turning a little.
Especially some weird ass ‘pundit’ like Kirk, which will garner attention and chud rage, but fundamentally achieve…nothing? And it’s not as if Kirko seemed a special threat to this oddball’s hobbies vis a vis gaming. It’s very strange.
I wonder if he was a victim of some kinda MK Ultra thing…
I’ve admittedly been looking for some sort of zionist connection or intelligence operation since this whole thing blew up so big and stayed big. The zionists would want him dead if his alleged turning on them over campus speech and Palestine was real (big if), Trump and the nat-sec state would want him dead as a martyr for the right and an excuse to clamp down on the internet and real life and push through more draconian control as well as distract from the various issues they have (Epstein). So if there is some way of doing that they’d definitely have reason to whack little Charlie as he wasn’t really that important and his death probably does more for the movement to seize control of colleges than him living another 50 years ever could have. So we have one dead reactionary who is more useful in death than in life, one shooter whose actions make little sense.
Of course there is the consideration this person was either a groyper/Nazi or a leftist but had great opsec, hid that part of themselves effectively (including from friends and family) and left nothing for investigators to find to concretely tie them to their ideological motivation.
Mcharlie Kirk Ultra
Sometimes people are deeply unhappy and lash out and Kirk was a convenient asshole to kill and not feel bad about.
That isn’t the view given by his discord friends though. His discord logs make him seem like a normal happy person who never discusses politics.
Being “apolitical” is irrelevant, he could still just as easily know Kirk was a vicious homophobe or have some other feature that he despises personally even if he (the shooter) never bothered to even talk about subjects that he recognized as being political.
As I mentioned in another comment, it’s very easy to present as much more normal than you actually are even when you are basically more defined by mental illness than you are by actual personality traits. That is how I would describe myself, and I can still pass myself off as pretty normal if I choose to, with it being trivially easy over text outside of my slightly idiosyncratic writing voice that probably tips my hand on ASD. “Masking” is a real thing that many people learn how to do for various reasons.
Remember that he was raised by conservative parents in a conservative community, he almost surely learned the behavior that most conservatives learn of keeping most types of mental illness to yourself, except insofar as they can be expressed by performing your assigned gender roles or something.
I definitely get masking of course, but I’m at least a little more vocal about stuff online.
the most interesting part to me is he directly confessed and said he’s turning himself in. so they most likely didn’t catch him at all
and 
were also only caught after someone narced on them
lol, that didn’t say much of anything. Like less than 10 screenshots.
Yeah. What was posted reads as “politically incoherent g*mer”, but there’s really nothing there to go off of.
It seems like a whole lot of projection on Ken’s part tbh. This just tells us how he was around this specific group. I have friends that have never even heard me say the name Stalin.
I have friends that have never even heard me say the name Stalin.
I’m here, aren’t I?
This is too little to say. It certainly is possible for a random normal person to bottle things up and snap, but this seems unlikely in this case. Just because he was able to seem normal in a discord with his normie friends, doesn’t mean he wasn’t a freak in other one’s.
Yeah, like half or more of the people who know me irl think that I’m chill as like a character-defining trait, but as anyone who has read anything I’ve written here outside of dumb jokes can attest, my disposition is opposed to that in nearly every way. I just know that I’m better off keeping my head down in the real world . . .
Reposting from the other thread:
Summary: probably bi (favors lgbt rights), more apolitical than you think, nothing in the discord is a smoking gun of it being an online radicalization hotbed like Patel etc are hoping for.
His friends are just as confused as anyone else about his motive.
Listening to the press conference happening right now, they just read out the texts from the same day to the roommate/partner/girlfriend and it sounds like she is just as confused as everyone else and was totally out of the loop.
Imagine if the motive is literally “I thought it would be funny”
I’ve heard worse reasons
I mean
Imagine if the motive is literally “I thought it would be funny”
Oh no. IDIFTL*
spoiler
*“I did it for the lulz” aka troll’s remorse.
Seems like it’s relevant to mention that this article confirms he was in a relationship with his roommate.
If he was truly in love with a trans woman, yeah, I could see him snapping even if he wasn’t very politically activated elsewhere.
The article says that Tyler rarely talked about politics. It also says that he’s bisexual and nihilistic. It says he’s not left wing.
There’s no reason to think he’s nihilistic. He’s just not political.
(This is not a snarky question)
How is “meme posting” or “shit posting” while engaged in a high profile murder not nihilistic? If there’s no discernible political message to be found here it just becomes destruction for destruction’s sake. What else is that?
You’re right, but I think there’s a difference between one act of nihilism, and a whole individual being a nihilistic person. I wouldn’t describe myself as even slightly nihilistic, but I could see how sometimes you just wanna destroy something for the sake of destroying something (not sure if that impulse scales up to the level of committing an assassination, but on principle at least).
Nothing in the article really illuminates much about his character beyond “just a normal Utah guy who is bi”
Sometimes one data point is extremely important, and committing a high-profile murder of a social media princeling who has the ear of the President when you have a pretty normal and secure life with your whole future ahead of you is a pretty profound data point.
Again, you’re right, but that’s not what the article shows. The only evidence to support the idea that he’s a nihilistic kind of person is that one action. He could’ve snapped the week before and planned this stuff out after a TBI for all we know.
Again
I’m a different commenter, just so you know.
A TBI is basically license to throw everything you know about someone out of the window in the context of offering hypotheticals. There is very little else that would produce such a radical shift. In the absence of actually knowing that he got such a serious injury, which at least his partner or family would have known about, it’s unreasonable to take such a thing seriously. I think probably the only explanation involving a drastic personality shift that could be plausible is something along the lines of how taking LSD can trigger psychosis in people already susceptible to it (not that specific event, just as a general idea).
Anyway, I agree that you’re right that the basis for saying he was nihilistic leans mainly on information outside of the article, but it’s worth mentioning that the lack of a personal or political motivation for doing the aforementioned high-profile murder and then doing the meme stuff on top of it does still suggest nihilism.
When I asked if his family would have been accepting, the friend replied: “I don’t think even Tyler knew the answer to that question, which is why he kept it so low key between themselves.”
Come on we all know the answer to this one. If he didn’t tell his family or friends…
If there are any chats or things like that implicating others, it’s not on this general hobbyist discord. It would be the alleged chats with his roommate that the judge referenced today, or any links with possible social media accounts that could have known about the Kirk assasination plan beforehand. Wonder what his transgender roommate/partner is thinking, apparently they’re fully co operating with the FBI, but their identity was revealed by other media outlets, and local news has already interviewed her family.
A great user posted the text logs of the conversation with his partner here. It’s quite damming.
This leaves out the Bella Ciao piece of evidence. Something that I can ONLY say would point to him either falling into far left circles or, as some others mentioned, the Groyper attempt to coopt the song.
I don’t think you can leave that out. It’s essential evidence.
This leaves out the Bella Ciao piece of evidence.
There have been many covers of it in the last 15 years.
I read an article (I can’t find now) which assumed readers had never heard of it and helpfully explained that it’s an anti-fascist song which is well-known due to its use in the WWII game Hearts of Iron IV. I saw a different article which attributed it (solely) to the television series Money Heist, the fourth season of which (says wikipedia) plays it during the credits.
an anti-fascist song which is well-known due to its use in the WWII game Hearts of Iron IV.
The Bella Ciao thing fits with gamer culture.
How? I’ve never seen gamers reference it, like ever? They might think the remix is good but nobody seems to ever post it anywhere other than for political reasons. The most common place it shows up is antifascist protests or union strikes here in europe.
It’s in Hearts of Iron IV. I heard someone clock the game menu you can see barely in frame in that one picture of Robinson that was circulating. I haven’t played it so IDK.
Isn’t that why it became a thing with groypers? Because it was an unlockable in a Far Cry game?
The only place I’ve ever seen talk about the groypers attempting to use it was hexbear, their impact with it was non-existent. They would never successfully coopt this there is absolutely no chance the european left ever relinquishes a song so important here. The fascists in europe despise it, it boils their piss.
The hearts of iron playlist with Bella ciao people are talking about had 30 saves on Spotify. I highly doubt it was seen by Robinson.
I don’t see why groypers would care at all how something is perceived in Europe.
Feasibility of coopting something. You can’t do it if you can’t get a critical mass of your fash buds to do it too, and you can’t do it if you can’t get the other side to step back from it. If your fash friends feel visceral disgust from the song you’ve got a problem in getting enough of them together to coopt it, let alone when you’re trying to coopt something that’s played at literally every single leftist event. You may as well be trying to coopt the Internationale.
American leftists are the other side to them and Americans don’t have any near as much of an attachment to the song. Europeans might as well be on mars for groypers. I’m not saying that they have coopted, or even that they’ve tried to, my point is that Europeans are entirely irrelevant when talking about groypers.
I can’t speak to Bella Ciao being coopted by the right, I don’t think the shooter was a groyper, but I do think that speculating on it being used that way is plausible when it was being discussed a couple days ago. I base that on a parallel thing where I’ve seen a lot of far right people presumably in the US latching on to Irish rebel music. Either with conservative keyboard warriors leaving bellicose comments on youtube or with rightwing content creators using song clips in their videos. So there are lefty songs that get picked up by fash or just filter into the zeitgeist of apolitical
audiences.I base that on a parallel thing where I’ve seen a lot of far right people presumably in the US latching on to Irish rebel music.
I believe that these people who genuinely believe in their hearts that they are rebels are probably redeemable if they get the correct political education. They genuinely want to fight something that is getting them down but are misguided as to what it is. They find in this music that spirit of rebellion against the oppressor but they mislabel the oppressor because of their lack of political education.
Correct me if I’m wrong but most of these people are dirt poor rednecks.
I’m thinking specifically of boogaloo, libertarian, AnCap, anti-antifascist, etc. types. There is very much a vibe stateside
among reactionaries that upholding state violence and resisting social progress is how they rebel against “the system.” So I’m specifically talking about people who are reactionaries first and then choose these tunes because of their meme status.On a more general line, sure I agree there are a lot of working-poor proles that see themselves as having a sort of rebellious spirit who could be redirected with the correct political education.
I don’t really understand why leftists have been so desperate to pin it on groypers tbh. Like non aligned or even leftist assassins exist? That should be expected, no?
It is expected. I said on this very site a few years ago that as things move closer and closer towards revolutionary conditions you are going to see adventurism happen and there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop it. It will be by extreme leftists. It will be by non-aligned people pushed to the edged. It will be by completely inscrutable people. The conditions will produce it.
All the organised left can do is prepare around it. There is absolutely nothing we can do to control it nor the conditions that produce it. Best we can do is convince some anarchists that blowing up dams, bridges and power stations is a bad idea and didn’t work last time it was tried by anarchists in europe. We will have zero impact on the people that are not politically educated beyond a general sentiment of “billionaires are bad” and “fascists are evil” and we can not do anything to soften that sentiment whatsoever. They will take that sentiment and some of them will run with it to the conclusion of carrying out attacks, it is what it is and it’s going to happen more and more the worse conditions get.
Furthermore, if the fascists crack down hard on it they will cause even more of it. The only thing that would turn it around is changing the root material conditions with social policy concessions. Cracking down with violence will generate even worse conditions that generate even more revolutionary conditions and thus even more random acts of violence.
100% could not agree more. With the decline in material conditions in the West and lack of political education/socialist movement, high availability of guns, and saturation of the individualist mindset, adventurism from leftists and non aligned folks is inevitable. It’s honestly somewhat surprising there hasn’t been more of it.
non aligned or even leftist assassins exist
tbh, regardless of what the feds think, the American left doesn’t have the radicalism for this.
I don’t think adventurism is particularly radical, and you don’t really need radicalism to shoot someone, even for political reasons
Because fash-on-fash violence is a common enough thing. Because chuds instantly gravitated to blaming trans people along with other minorities. Because anything not tacitly proving that this was all the work of some rightoid gone haywire means that we as leftists, trans people, poor people, BIPOC, will be retaliated against with extreme prejudice. All the chuds want is an excuse to let the bullets fly.
They don’t need this as an excuse. The bullets have been flying. Obviously most people here don’t think adventurism is productive, but in general and especially at that age, vaguely lib or left-sympathetic people have much less theory than hexbears. I just don’t think it’s helpful to grasp at straws if there’s reasonable evidence. I wouldn’t describe Robinson as a leftist based on what I’ve seen but you don’t have to be one to be angry about fascists.
I believe unfortunately we are past that point. Helping arm ourselves and our comrades, learning gun safety, and getting range time should be a priority especially for the most vulnerable among us.
Another point for incoherent g*mer. Yet everybody here is probably on hobbyist discords or something where they don’t say anything political or at least dial it down a lot.
Posting this on 3 different comms is going to kill the visibility by splitting the bumps and upvotes.
I deleted the one on chapotraphouse, but this seemingly counts as both Politics and News, so I don’t know if I should get rid of another one.
only the /c/politics one is being displayed on the front page because you posted it first. it also has more comments and upvotes.
I think most people on hexbear only look at the all frontpage and not individual comms.
Yes but some people are subscribed to c/politics and not to c/news, and visa versa.
I wouldn’t worry too much about it in the future, just commit to one or the other (it’s what I do)
Huh another centrist assassin
Yea, but what other discords was he in?
