He’s right on so much
I think he only missed on some LGBT stuff once right
Yeah don’t ask Chen about trans people.
Honestly, Absurd Ominous Clown is a bit of a miss. That’s just not very good.
Awful Obvious Chauvinist? I welcome other suggestions.
Lol she called Rashida Talib a neo nazi
Anaconda Ocasio-Cortez
She called a PALESTINIAN American whose people are being deleted by a genocidal regime a Neo Nazi…
You’re being disingenuous, she’s referring to MTG as the nazi.
even hasan was attacking AOCIA over this, why do i keep seeing you lay down your life for that shitty succdem over and over in these threads???
I’m not laying down shit for AOC. Fuck her.
But MTG is a fucking nazi. People are just glossing over it and brow beating me for making that a point of note. People are getting black bagged, some of my Haitians friends have disappeared.
It’s distasteful to side with her strasserite bullshit even if I’d support this amendment if I was an elected bouge, and I think discussing that is important.
what exactly is the relevance of MTG being a nazi? who is handing it to MTG here or anywhere else on the “left” part of the internet? there’s nothing antisemetic in the bill afaik, and the speech i saw didnt seem antisemetic too, what exactly is the pressing need for you to keep bringing this is up in such a way that it makes seem like you are trying to defend AOC??? just vote for the amendment and put some tweet out that “despite your extreme difference in opinion from MTG, it’s more important to stop isr*el’s genocide by any means necessary”
Like, quite frankly if you hadnt kept bringing it up i doubt it would have even known it was MTG who put the amendment forward, if you are really this concerned about a nazi getting some sort of credit for this action why havent i seen you adding on to shitting on AOC by pointing out that she’s failing by letting MTG get ahead with an amendment like this.
She should be for this amendment out of principle, she should also have the conviction (she doesn’t) to get ahead of mtg or one up her. But I lost faith in her years ago, for me MTG is far more relevant to this bill that she knew was destined to fail.
there’s nothing antisemetic in the bill afaik
The bill doesn’t need to be antisemitic for her to be a nazi. And antisemitism is not the only hateful nazi ideology.
what exactly is the relevance of MTG being a nazi?
I think it’s pretty important she’s a nazi, think it should be discussed. And she’s outflanking the left on issues through stolen rhetoric, not AOC, if only out of her proximity to power and her own base of supporters.
way that it makes seem like you are trying to defend AOC???
I shit on AOC all the time. Quite frankly, I feel gross even feeling like have to prove myself
The bill doesn’t need to be antisemitic for her to be a nazi.
never said it did, i never once denied her being a nazi. here i will make it very clear: MTG is a nazi who needs to die as soon as possible, preferabably by a bullet through the head.
I think it’s pretty important she’s a nazi, think it should be discussed.
it should be discussed if someone is praising MTG or asking who she is, not bringing it up in a manner in a thread attacking AOC for voting no which to me seemed like it was intending to defend AOC against the attack rather than attack MTG.
I shit on AOC all the time. Quite frankly, I feel gross even having to prove myself to you.
ok, you shit on AOC usually, whatever, my point was that I never saw you actually doing this in the threads around this particular subject even though you could have easily done so by pointing out she is letting a nazi coopt leftist rhetoric. as for your feelings, i dont know your heart all i can go based off of is what you were doing in these past few threads becuase i dont actually keep track of which accounts say what over months long period like a
would. like, tbc i just went back thru your comments in the threads about this subject and there wasnt one comment that said anything remotely close to “fuck AOC” besides maybe the anti electoralism comment ig? you even admitted that no one was handing it to MTG here https://hexbear.net/comment/6342803 and you’re still bringing it up? surely you can understand my confusion then???again, im not a mind reader and im not keeping a track of your comments with a “pro AOC” vs “anti AOC” counter, what i am questioning here is why you keep making comments that appear (“what exactly is the pressing need for you to keep bringing this is up in such a way that it makes seem like you are trying to defend AOC”) to be defending AOC despite your hatred of her???
one comment that said anything remotely close to “fuck AOC” besides the anti electoralism comment ig?
Do I have to have this as a signature?
I’ll agree that I’m coming in at inopportune times to say this but I’m honestly really bothered by inherently murderous villains like MTG proposing an ostensibly good thing that I’m sure she counted on being destined to fail. I find people like her and Tucker to be such sinister cancers that I see absolute red when i see their trickery played out in real time.
I absolutely agree, fuck the likes of AOC for allowing this to happen but burrying the likes of MTG under a pile of concrete is so important to me that I don’t think we’re on the same wavelength
Hey did she or did she not say that supporting this was supporting neo nazism. And did Rashida Talib support this?
I thi k she said welcoming a neo nazi such as MTG is bad, don’t think that means supporting neonazism but I can’t really parse what she’s saying
The whole debacle shows how she just doesn’t have the juice for this. She voted against the amendment to remove Israeli military funding, essentially saying that funding should stay in the bill. Then she votes against the bill writ-large, essentially voting against the funding she voted to keep. She wants to play this 9-D chess and is then shocked when people are, in her mind, easily misinformed or misled by bad actors. Doesn’t inspire confidence even from a politicsball perspective, let alone a leftist one.
She has surrounded herself the consultant class that keeps the democrats a party of professional losers.
I suspect because she was such an early (and young) hail-mary win that she found herself in the capitol with literally no socialist institution to advise or staff her office. So she filled out other office with a bunch office with the wokest progressive consultants that were flocking to her. From there you get crying photo-ops at ICE facilities and this sort of dumbass triangulation.
It’s right because I think there is a legitimate issue of socialists (including/primarily democratic socialists) winning power, but not having the skills to govern. Liberals campaign and sometimes win on “having experience”. It’s true that they know what they need to do to keep the government functioning, but they are nonetheless very experienced at running the government under liberal principles.
It is good, actually to run for and win municipal and local seats because you learn a lot. Ideally you aren’t the only socialist in the building though, so you can build out some footholds and mentor incoming comrades. It doesn’t make a revolution, but it means that “after the revolution” there will be somebody who knows the basics of what’s what.
If we’re going to take lessons from the failures of AOC this is it. Most of us would be doing the same thing if we got yeeted from bartender to congress at age 29 if there wasn’t socialist think tanks and institutions for us to lean on. This isn’t to forgive her; she could’ve risen to meet the challenge but didn’t. But the lesson isn’t her personal moral failing.
the bartender shit is a narrative
The bartending stint is not only a narrative perpetuated by AOC’s own campaign/ PR managers, but also designed to cover up what she actually did during her post-grad/ pre-congress period: working for a venture capitalist firm called GAGEis (or Gage Strategies) run by 2 Israeli-Americans.
She also founded her own enterprise (yes), called Brook Avenue Press, which is "a social enterprise dedicated to providing relevant educational products to children and parents in urban areas.”, according to her Boston University biography that is still publicly viewable.
AOC’s official biography on the US House of Reps website does NOT list any of this.
Here’s a Times of Israel article that openly talks about all this written back in 2020
You all fell for the grift.
calling aoc a socialist is an insult lmao, much less using her record to say actually elected socialists would behave no differently. I thought we settled this struggle session here years ago
It’s less to do with struggle sessions on Hexbear and more to do with the “Democratic Socialist” label that she and her supporters still use to this day.
Like I’m sure we all know she isn’t a Marxist or Anarchist, but many people IRL who aren’t terminally online will see the label and go “oh, she’s a socialist? So she wants America to become China/ Cuba/ North Korea” or even worse will think “Oh so she wants us to be socialist like Scandinavia”, both of which are wrong for reasons I don’t need to explain here.
It’s a major gripe I’ve had for a while now with Western liberals co-opting terms with the phrase “Socialism” in them and then doing things that no actual socialist advocates for. And like, I get the argument that having “socialists” in power helps de-stigmatize the term and encourage people to look to more left-wing ideas, but I usually counter this reasoning by saying it de-radicalizes far more people instead by making them think Social Democracy (a term I VASTLY prefer to describe people like AOC and Bernie) is Socialism and keeps them from moving further left by offering just enough welfare policies to not agitate the ruling class anymore. I personally KNOW people who think this way. It’s the same strategy Western Europe and Anglo colonies like Canada and Australia pulled last century, and it worked to great effect. Hell, America tried it before with FDR to incredible results. And while there are some nominally better “Democratic Socialists” in the Global South, particularly in Latin American countries, they still largely play by the rules set by international capital and neoliberal institutions.
Sorry, I’m just venting my frustration at the lack of any revolutionary socialist movements almost anywhere in the world even after 30+ years of unopposed neoliberal fuckery. I guess my point is we still have a long, long way to go before we reach the former heights that the Bolsheviks did.
it’s a failing of NY DSA? that’s something i can easily get behind lol
Fuck No. You’re learning absolutely nothing if petty campism is the lesson you’re taking from this. If you read the Dropsite article about Mamdani’s win then you’ll know NYC-DSA has learned their lessons from the disappointments of AOC and Bowman.
Even then that doesn’t mean it was a mistake to sneak AOC into office before they were ready to provide her the institutional backing she needed to stay the course. The point is to learn why her experiment failed and apply the lessons you learn.
they were fucking endorsing her even after national dsa unendorsed her https://www.cityandstateny.com/politics/2024/07/real-story-behind-dsas-decision-unendorse-aoc/398024/
As City & State previously reported, NYC-DSA voted overwhelmingly to endorse Ocasio-Cortez earlier this year, with more than 80% of DSA members in the chapter’s Queens and Bronx/Upper Manhattan branches voting in favor of endorsing her for reelection
“In February 2024 NYC-DSA, a chapter of the National DSA, voted to re-endorse Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez as we have every election year since 2018. Today, AOC is still endorsed by NYC-DSA. NYC-DSA withdrew its request for a National DSA endorsement after the primary passed and the National Political Committee honored this request,” the NYC-DSA chapter said in a statement.
“It is not uncommon for chapters and National DSA to diverge on endorsements,” the statement continued. “Her endorsement passed with significant support in the chapter, and the chapter remains supportive of her candidacy.”
i couldnt find a single article of NYC-DSA backing national’s decision, it’s not fucking “petty campism” to think that one of the chapters renowned for being probably the most lib in the entire DSA (at least it was from my time in DSA) is probably still lib???
i’ll put my trust in nycdsa when they actually show they can exert real pressure* on the officials they helped elect or start helping elect officials as “DSA” on the ballot and not “D” and not a moment before.
btw no i dont currently think zohran is the same as aoc or bownman or sanders (although he certainly has done stuff already that makes me worried), but i will view it as essentially luck for them to stumble on such a good principled candidate (unless again they show some sign of being able to reign him in.)
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this is actually being charitable to nyc dsa, it’s possible that they could have been exerting this pressure and just dont actually disagree very much with what AOC has been doing…
This is a case study in US electoralism not a grand evaluation about how lib NYC-DSA is. They couldn’t keep a hold on her to begin with because in 2019 they had no one to back her up in office and so she was “lost to the consultant class”. If she snuck into office a few years ago, then we probably wouldn’t be seeing this behavior from her.
yeeted from bartender to congress at age 29
Or you know, major in economics and international relations at Boston, work for that old Kennedy who couldn’t run for president after murdering too many sex workers
It shows that she’s either really bad at feeling out where the wind is blowing, or is overestimating her capacity to change public sentiment against genocide.
AOC about to be dropping “tankie” and explaining why “the left” must embrace rationality and the center soon.
Rationality = Centrism, according to the Dems.
Current centrism is genocide, warmongering and global plunder though
People are saying I shit my pants, but in fact I failed to prevent myself from shitting my pants. there is a difference.
She is a sitting US congresswoman posting like I was at 14 in middle school.
Almost as pathetic as anything
postsAll it was missing was a picture of her dabbing in shutter shades
Lol what a pathetic attempt at misdirection. We know exactly what you did, and now you’re calling your colleges Nazis, not beating the fascist allegations kid.
step one: misrepresent people dragging you for not voting for a reduction in defense spending for israel, saying they are lying by claiming you “voted for military funding” a thing they did not claim you did
step two: “attach receipts” as proof that you didn’t do the thing that they didn’t say you did. coincidentally, this proof (your nay vote on the mtg amendment) is the thing you are being dragged for. neat trick!
step three: call ‘somebody’ a neo-nazi. it isn’t clear who. mtg? your critics? the left? people in the comments will ask
end result: twenty feet deeper into the weeds
How long till she
posts next to a mass grave?Millennial politics is just going to sound like obscure YouTuber/twitch drama thread isn’t it?
We’re already there dude, and worse yet even. Look at literally anything
says.She posts like someone from left-Reddit.
I voted no, which clearly means I didn’t vote for military spending
She should just stop, this shit is embarrassing.
Good to see that she’s borrowing from Israel’s playbook and calling everyone opposed to genocide “nazis.” I’m sure there’ll be 0 blowback from watering down terms like “nazi” and “anti-Semite” this much.
She’s calling MTG a nazi. MTG is a fucking nazi
Calling MTG a Nazi is reasonable. Refusing to sign on to her bill because it’s insufficient and you want to propose one that is sufficient and doesn’t carry the baggage of such a despicable representative would also be reasonable. What would be unreasonable would be calling the rhetorical Nazi out for Nazism while giving the actual Nazis weapons to continue their ongoing Nazi genocide and congratulating yourself for being so brave.
The ideologically committed psychos like the entire Republican party, Schumer, Biden, etc can reasonably defend their argument. Some of them agree with Jewish supremacy over Arabs and like the fact that they’re killing them. Some of them just don’t give a shit about the Muslims over there and are cool with giving Israel a blank check to continue projecting American hegemony into the Middle East. These positions are patently evil but ideologically consistent. AOC and those like her cannot defend their positions. “What they are doing over there is morally wrong but there’s nothing we can do about it and when someone brings up the thing you can definitely do about it I’m going to attack them personally to deflect from my own moral failing in refusing to engage with the issue.” That’s some shoot and cry bullshit and it deserves zero defense.
What would be unreasonable would be calling the rhetorical Nazi out for Nazism while giving the actual Nazis weapons to continue their ongoing Nazi genocide and congratulating yourself for being so brave.
I agree wholeheartedly, but it’s 2025 and people are still expecting things, no matter how symbolic, from AOC. This is insanity.
Again, I think it was more important for aoc to address the fact that a nazi is outflanking her. In the end, she’s useless, she does nothing for anyone.
But I think it’d be fucking cool to talk about how the right wing is miming materialist rhetoric on hexbear dot net instead of just glossing over that a nazi is proposing this ammendment.
I don’t know who that is, I assume a republican senator or something (I’m not American)
Marjorie Taylor Greene is a republican congresswoman who is willfully ignorant, anti-vaccines, anti-abortion, and openly bigoted. MTG believes conspiracy theories like George Soros and Bill Gates were funding Jewish space lasers to kill people, which is why people were dying (not covid). She’s peddled Pizzagate, neo-nazi white genocide/great replacement, Holocaust denial, accused children who survived school shootings of being crisis actors, and does crossfit exercises really, really poorly.
Her district in Georgia is known for being a hotbed of KKK activity.
Ah, I do know who that is then, I just didn’t recognise the acronym.
So then AOC’s argument is that neo-nazis are bad, so we need to let them just do whatever they want, because that’s “democracy.” Got it.
MTG is also a fortnite cardgame that used to be good ~20 years ago
Yeah, that was where my confusion lies. But I think it is usually abbreviated to MtG, with the “the” being lowercase.
Is she claiming she voted no for MTGs amendment to the DoD budget but also voted no to the budget as a whole?
She’s just obfuscating the criticism by defending against a weaker argument. Some people may have been implying that she voted yes on the bill as a whole, but she voted no. This is burying the lede that she voted no on the amendment that would’ve stopped Iron Dome funding.
I honestly think she was too scared to vote with MTG on anything meaning she cares more about her personal image than Palestine. The amendment was clearly a protest vote and she didn’t show up when Tlaib and Omar did. Voting against the DoD budget as a whole is basically a protest vote.
This is some John Kerry “actually I voted for it before I voted against it” shit
I know where I stand.
on a pile of corpses
My record on Epstein speaks for itself. I’m proud of it, very proud. One of the strongest presidents! I throw down for anti-cabal candidates—largely unrecognized work. That’s fine! Disagreements are fine too! But if you want to toss all that for 1 half assed Clinton stunt, BE MY GUEST! I know where I stand!
Lol she’s unraveling
She’s at the stage where she takes her position so personally that she forgets she is representing her critics too.
The thing I hate most of these social media posts by politicians is that they never reply to any of the comments unless they had previously arranged someone to comment
