The choking problem doesn’t come from porn video games, it comes from the intensely exploitative live-action porn industry, which is not in any way comparable to video games or any other type of animated pornography.
We both know that the relevant factor here is that one is extremely popular and the other is more niche.
So are we concluding that games like R— Simulator are good for society?
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in my experience are played by a roughly 50/50 split of archetypal mentally disabled people who aren’t going out enough to sexually assault anyone (like myself in the past) and queer people.
This might surprise you, but I don’t actually think SV should be inflicted on queer people either, so I don’t see how queer people being the consumer base is remotely relevant if you’re using the term to refer to gay and lesbian people, and it seems like a non-sequitur if you’re talking about trans people. Obviously, I don’t buy into conservative fear-mongering about queer people committing sex crimes all the time, but they do commit sex crimes at all, like straights and cissies do. So why even bring this up? Because the example that I used was of het sex crimes?
Also, a lot of these games are extremely het (like RS) and I don’t even really get what you mean by “archetypal” mentally disabled people. Mentally disabled people do sometimes commit sex crimes, like groups from basically all walks of life.
I somewhat agree, but remember that it can also be nominally from the perspective of the victim and still very bad, like LonaRPG. Playing as a girl and getting off on her being brutalized in an objectified manner is a really common thing, with some games being more subtext and some just being “watch this girl get r—d” simulators.
Hey now, just to be clear, I didn’t play Lona and I don’t play these games in general, I just end up finding out about them because I really like certain types of obscure indie RPGs and in the process of looking for them, I end up finding out about shit like this too.
fair enough wasnt trying to accuse you of it sorry lol.
also, i should say i dont really judge anyone who plays even one of these porn games, even the really questionable/bad ones, i just think there’s too much potential for abuse and it feeds into the omnipresent misogyny in society so they need to be banned. i actually put more responsibility onto the ones who make these games than the consumers tbh.
Absolutely. I mean, I personally think someone who likes the game that I just mentioned is a porn-brained creep, but the fundamental issue when something is distributed that shouldn’t be distributed is pretty much always going to be the distributor and not the recipient. It’s a basic element of Marxist thinking that we should be deliberately cultivating environments that encourage people to be pro-social rather than leaving a bad environment as it is and moralizing regarding the individuals who respond to it in a completely predictable fashion. That kind of atomization and fixation on individual responsibility is how liberals deliberately avoid confronting systemic problems.
If a soul is left in the darkness, sins will be committed. The guilty one is not he who commits the sin, but he who causes the darkness.
– Victor Hugo (via MLK)
I don’t take a view quite this totalizing and obviously here he is mostly talking about deprivation, but I think that materials that encourage misanthropic, chauvinistic, sadistic attitudes and feelings are their own kind of darkness and need to be dealt with accordingly.
Maybe most importantly, though I would still put a little fault on the consumer here if you asked me, fault doesn’t actually matter, what matters is what creates a better world, and here that involves heavily prioritizing cracking down on distribution, rather than attacking the creeps buying it.
Maybe most importantly, though I would still put a little fault on the consumer here if you asked me, fault doesn’t actually matter, what matters is what creates a better world, and here that involves heavily prioritizing cracking down on distribution, rather than attacking the creeps buying it.
most importantly seems to contradict (eg. “fundamental issue”) the rest of the comment :3
i believe what you mean is that it’s something that shouldnt be left unaddressed and that you dont want to totally let creeps off the hook. ig i should say im ace and i find pretty much all porn hard to understand, even the most “normal” porn so the gap between someone who likes something really fucked up and “vanilla” porn isnt as big as i imagine it is to the average allo? like, i feel like it’s very possible to just like the taboo of a game like this without being a creep, find hot whatever you find hot, i think all sex stuff is weird but if you do like some taboo like these games (without desiring to be a r—pist ofc) you should not complain about them being banned and what not
My whole point is that I don’t appreciate the creeps who like this sadistic, exploitative sort of stuff, but that whatever complaints I have about them consuming this shit isn’t fractionally as bad or worthwhile to discuss as the problem of it being put up for consumption to begin with.
I think the difference here – once explained – is pretty easy to understand. There’s a huge difference between erotica (etc.) that either recognizes the other as human or just objectifies them in a way that is unconcerned with their view, versus actively reveling in their suffering and subjugation. That’s it.
We both know that the relevant factor here is that one is extremely popular and the other is more niche.
So are we concluding that games like R— Simulator are good for society?
Edit:
This might surprise you, but I don’t actually think SV should be inflicted on queer people either, so I don’t see how queer people being the consumer base is remotely relevant if you’re using the term to refer to gay and lesbian people, and it seems like a non-sequitur if you’re talking about trans people. Obviously, I don’t buy into conservative fear-mongering about queer people committing sex crimes all the time, but they do commit sex crimes at all, like straights and cissies do. So why even bring this up? Because the example that I used was of het sex crimes?
Also, a lot of these games are extremely het (like RS) and I don’t even really get what you mean by “archetypal” mentally disabled people. Mentally disabled people do sometimes commit sex crimes, like groups from basically all walks of life.
i think a game from the perspective of the r—ist is much more concerning and what needs to be banned, im unsure which 389aaa is referring to
I somewhat agree, but remember that it can also be nominally from the perspective of the victim and still very bad, like LonaRPG. Playing as a girl and getting off on her being brutalized in an objectified manner is a really common thing, with some games being more subtext and some just being “watch this girl get r—d” simulators.
i dont play porn games so im not really sure what LonaRPG is, but i would support banning any game that presents it like you described also
Hey now, just to be clear, I didn’t play Lona and I don’t play these games in general, I just end up finding out about them because I really like certain types of obscure indie RPGs and in the process of looking for them, I end up finding out about shit like this too.
fair enough wasnt trying to accuse you of it sorry lol.
also, i should say i dont really judge anyone who plays even one of these porn games, even the really questionable/bad ones, i just think there’s too much potential for abuse and it feeds into the omnipresent misogyny in society so they need to be banned. i actually put more responsibility onto the ones who make these games than the consumers tbh.
Absolutely. I mean, I personally think someone who likes the game that I just mentioned is a porn-brained creep, but the fundamental issue when something is distributed that shouldn’t be distributed is pretty much always going to be the distributor and not the recipient. It’s a basic element of Marxist thinking that we should be deliberately cultivating environments that encourage people to be pro-social rather than leaving a bad environment as it is and moralizing regarding the individuals who respond to it in a completely predictable fashion. That kind of atomization and fixation on individual responsibility is how liberals deliberately avoid confronting systemic problems.
– Victor Hugo (via MLK)
I don’t take a view quite this totalizing and obviously here he is mostly talking about deprivation, but I think that materials that encourage misanthropic, chauvinistic, sadistic attitudes and feelings are their own kind of darkness and need to be dealt with accordingly.
Maybe most importantly, though I would still put a little fault on the consumer here if you asked me, fault doesn’t actually matter, what matters is what creates a better world, and here that involves heavily prioritizing cracking down on distribution, rather than attacking the creeps buying it.
most importantly seems to contradict (eg. “fundamental issue”) the rest of the comment :3
i believe what you mean is that it’s something that shouldnt be left unaddressed and that you dont want to totally let creeps off the hook. ig i should say im ace and i find pretty much all porn hard to understand, even the most “normal” porn so the gap between someone who likes something really fucked up and “vanilla” porn isnt as big as i imagine it is to the average allo? like, i feel like it’s very possible to just like the taboo of a game like this without being a creep, find hot whatever you find hot, i think all sex stuff is weird but if you do like some taboo like these games (without desiring to be a r—pist ofc) you should not complain about them being banned and what not
My whole point is that I don’t appreciate the creeps who like this sadistic, exploitative sort of stuff, but that whatever complaints I have about them consuming this shit isn’t fractionally as bad or worthwhile to discuss as the problem of it being put up for consumption to begin with.
I think the difference here – once explained – is pretty easy to understand. There’s a huge difference between erotica (etc.) that either recognizes the other as human or just objectifies them in a way that is unconcerned with their view, versus actively reveling in their suffering and subjugation. That’s it.