So the US is actually banning people for daring to oppose mass murder.
This is such a grotesquely insane timeline.
They don’t call
the great satan for nothin’The US can be trusted to do the right thing, but only after they’ve exhausted every other option
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This happened post 9-11 as well, just this time its literally 1:1 re-creation of the best hits of nazism.
Flying a swastika and hitting the heil hitler:
Let him in.Saying Pissrael sucks: DENIED
What is this, Canada‽
Yeah I’m not holding my breath that this means they’ll kick out the Afrikaner immigrant that tweeted that Jews are dangerous and trustworthy.
Nah, they love antisemitism. If people in the us hate Jews, then american Jews are incentivized to go to the zionist entity and steal land.
I’d be embarrassed to get a visa to the US
You can say “fuck america” and they would still let you in, but “fuck Israel”? Straight to jail
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No for real though it really does look like this. I don’t want to say the tail is wagging the dog, but the dog sure looks like it’s wagging.
Why is this? Why does the 51st state get protections the other 50 don’t? At both a population and a government level.
These aren’t really a structured argument or anything I’m just writing as I think of examples:
The US is more willing to assist Israel than itself, no money for relief after tornadoes and hurricanes but we make sure Israelis get free healthcare?
If the California National Guard had attacked the USS Liberty and killed a bunch of US troops, California would’ve faced more consequences than Israel did.
I can go on stage tomorrow and say “The United States is the most evil country in history, the Great Satan, the 4th reich, and must be destroyed with intense violence” and no one will give a fuck. I could advertise my talk beforehand, put up posters, rent out a hall on a college campus, wouldn’t have an issue. Say 10% as much about Israel and the cops will storm the auditorium, the college would blacklist me, and I’d be at risk of getting fired from my job.
Is it just “it’s afraid”? Is it the desperate flailing of a failing colony? No one cares if you say “Free Hawaii” because the powerful aren’t worried about Hawaii being freed?
Obviously the answer isn’t “Da evil Jewish cabal runs everything” but what is it and why does it look so much like it would if it was an evil cabal?
Isreal is the US’s stronghold in the Middle East. It allows the US military to have North Africa, the Mediterranean, the Balkans, and so on all within striking distance of its aircraft. With this wide area of influence, the US can control shipping lanes, airspace, and natural resources in the region. Most of these resources are funneled into Europe (oil, heroin, lithium, cobalt, water, etc.). Western European capitalists can then rake in huge profits because nobody in the region can stop the US from stealing their shit.
Isreal exists so the Imperial Core doesn’t have to do a D-Day/Normandy -style invasion anytime a group of people gets the idea to keep their nation’s resources for themselves. They can squash any potential revolutions or labor movements without having to spend more resources than necessary.
Because of the looming threat of Israel’s neighbors tossing them out, Israelis enjoy privileges and protections Americans don’t. They want Israelis to stay in Isreal to guard it, not run back to Europe. Americans are under no such threat, so the US doesn’t give a shit if there’s suffering at home. It would be different if the USA’s neighbors were trying to expel Americans out of North America and American minorities were engaged in armed resistance with help from foreign governments.
Is it just “it’s afraid”? Is it the desperate flailing of a failing colony? No one cares if you say “Free Hawaii” because the powerful aren’t worried about Hawaii being freed?
Yes, pretty much this.
Israel might actually fall relatively soon.
And because there are actual existential threats to Israel looming right now, the fascist’s immune response is kicked into high gear specifically for it. The response to opposition is proportional to how much of a threat they think it poses. For example, Red Scares happen when the left has the strength and numbers to potentially harm the bourgeois rule and order. The international and domestic hatred of and opposition to Israel is frightening them, as it should. They’re getting increasingly desperate to tamp it down.There is an evil cabal, but it’s just
My tl;Dr materialist analysis is the U.S. needs Israel to exist as-is to have just enough instability in the middle east to a) keep the “defence” industry working and b) prevent a united Arab bloc from fixing oil prices.
God forbid we wind down weapons manufacturing and wean ourselves off oil 🙃
The US is more willing to assist Israel than itself, no money for relief after tornadoes and hurricanes but we make sure Israelis get free healthcare?
For the same reason active duty troops get free healthcare. All of this is explained by viewing Israel as an unsinkable Aircraft Carrier permanently parked right next to all of Amerikkk’s biggest enemies. They’re integral to the US oil empire and at this point the Empire has no choice but to funnel resources there despite worsening home conditions.
This would make more sense to me if Israel was in fact parked right next to America’s biggest enemies and not surrounded by its allies who are begging to be closer allies of Israel will just stop
Why do you need an “Unsinkable aircraft carrier” when you have Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and Saudi Arabia all full of US military bases and happy to work with us?
In practice we don’t even make much use of our military position in Israel, because it pisses off everyone when we do, so we use those bases in Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia way more.
Israel exists like aircraft carriers in the sense that their purpose is power projection and causing instability in a region to due US pressure. America thrives by exploiting crises, and they try their best to engineer them in advance, Israel is one tool in that.
This would make more sense to me if Israel was in fact parked right next to America’s biggest enemies and not surrounded by its allies who are begging to be closer allies of Israel will just stop
Exactly right, they’re driving these countries to align closer to US interests because essentially then Israel and by extension the US is less of a wildcard. Additionally, they’re located close enough to provide other strike options that may not be as easily possible by the other means available to the US military for targets such as Iran and Yemen
Why do you need an “Unsinkable aircraft carrier” when you have Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and Saudi Arabia all full of US military bases and happy to work with us?
Having a few contested military bases and some tenuous alliances is much worse than having a colonization project that depends on your support for its continued existence, there is much more leverage in that situation. Another point that isreal is armed with nukes and their stated use position is the Samson Option, something that plays a great role in keeping the middle east and europe aligned with us interests.
That’s not even getting into how Israel is tied into and vital to the Military Industrial Complex as both a large customer and testing ground for new technologies.
I’m probably not the best to be explaining this, lol.
I hope Marco Rubio is killed and eaten by Clifford the Big Red Dog so he gets eaten, digested, pooped out, eaten again, thrown up, and eaten again
I like the idea but worry letting a dog eat something this slimy might be unhealthy.
It would hurt my tum tum
This doesn’t fit any definition of the word “slop”. Slop in the cultural sense is low quality content that is low quality and meaningless. Slop in the literal sense means food that you feed to pigs or live stock. Slop in the sidebar definition says “anonymous” “bullshit”; Anonymous means that you don’t know who it is; bullshit means low impact, meaningless, empty.
It seems disrespectful to the people impacted to call it “slop”. You wrote in the title that it’s an official government action. There have been people already deported for criticizing Israel. There will be more people who are going to be deported for criticizing Israel. If you spoke to them and they told you about their deportation, would you say to them that it’s slop?
Yeah it’s a stupid community title, you reckon the gossip one is better?
I don’t think that slop is a bad comm. I think that slop is a fine comm for posting slop, ie bad posts by twitter users or redditors, absurd reactionary things which are mostly inconsequential.
I think that news stories which have real world material impact should be posted in news or politics. Gossip would be like things said by a public figure without direct material impact. Like if Marco Rubio expresses his own opinions, it could be considered gossip. Official government policy said by one of the most powerful government officials is newsworthy.
My personal test for whether I post something in the slop comm is whether I could explain the post to a stranger in public. You could walk up to a stranger in public and say “Marco Rubio wants to deport immigrants who criticize Israel” and they would know what you are talking about. If you walk up to a stranger in public and say “These lemmy.world posters says that anti-war activists should have voted for Kamala to stop the genocide”, a stranger won’t know what lemmy world is, then it’s slop.
Good distinction
It’s news if it’s a chud in the white house or congress, it’s slop if it’s a chud streamer or some other terminally online shit
absurd reactionary things which are mostly inconsequential
Unfortunately there is not a clear demarcation and I don’t see much value in trying to seperate them
Yesterday’s steamer calling for fascism is tomorrow’s US political leader, and the absurb reactionary things being posted will be used to justify crimes against humanity
The only thing I care less about than whether something is directly consequential or indirectly and possibly not consequential is the allocation of those posts to two seperate communities created because of some bizarre mod clique about shit that doesn’t matter (not the name, which matters in a symbolic way, but having two communities)
And now I should disengage because I’ve written too much about something I ostensibly don’t care about
Just united states of israel thing.
So 80% of the world population?
we need a nickname, preferably rhyming, for Marco.
like Dorko Rubio or Asshole Rubio. but maybe something that isn’t so crass it wouldn’t be said on TV. something in the PG realm of Sleepy Joe or goofy Elizabeth?
I need something to say in my head besides “this fuckin’ guy”.
Zio Rubio
Thirsty Marco / Rubio
Snarko Marco
All I got for the moment
snarko is interesting… made me think of “Lapdog” Barko Rubio maybe a visual of his open mouthed head (barking) on a little shitty dog. and then the lap could belong to whatever captains of industry/billionaires. i like that it also emphasizes the guy is an angry little mouth piece that would get bodied in a fight.
ill try to mock something up concise and meme-able / emoji-ish tomorrow.
immediately got me imagining this from Mars Attacks:
ok, here’s the beef. that’s about all the time i care to spend this morning considering this guy’s face.
big format and transparent so somebody can emoji it or edit / give it some ben garrison style features and labels.
what do you think?
nicely done
Marco Rube
Poopio
I watched the video where exactly does he say that? Closest I saw was he said “we have implemented a vigorous new visa policy that will prevent foreign nationals from coming to the United States to foment hatred against our Jewish community” - seems a lot more vague than the post title
Huh? “Those who call for the death of Israelis are calling for the death of Jews, those that call for the destruction of Israel are calling for the destruction of the jewish people.”
“After killing two innocents who he beloved were jews he proudly shouted free free Palestine, words that now surve as a battle cry for the death of Jews and the destruction of Israel and the horrors we must never again allow. There can be no compromise with antisemitism”
“Those who call for the boycott of Israel are calling for the boycott of their Jewish neighbors and classmates”
“We will stand with the Jewish people. We have implemented a vigorous new visa policy that will prevent foreign nationals from coming to the United States to foment hatred against our Jewish community”
The guy spends almost the entirety of his speech equating the Zionist state with Jews. “Free Palestine” is genocidal language according to Rubio. He paints the DC shooters motives as antisemitic even claiming he thought they were Jews, when its clear in his manifesto that his motivations were anti-zionist.
All language critical of Israel or in support of Palestine is fair game according to Rubio here. If “Free Palestine” is genocidal language then all critical messages regarding Israel are genocidal language.
He’s using all the same language and talking points that the state of Israel uses to equate Jews and Zionism as a unity, when they’re not.
I didn’t say I agree with the speech or his Zionist worldview I said he I didn’t see where he said “anyone who criticizes Israel will not be granted a visa to the United States”
He’s not saying the quite part out loud, the title is making the quite part loud. Rubio is dog whistling for 4 minutes. The goal is to create a chilling effect in all critical voices through the abuse of the visa system. He hopes you see the abuse and decide to shut your mouth.
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Fascists are too deceptive to say what they really mean. They need a shred of plausible deniability to stay relevant in “polite society”.
