• LeninWeave [none/use name, any]@hexbear.net
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    This guy (with the Palestine flag) is proof that all political science students will require re-education. They literally go to school to learn to be catastrophically wrong in service of the foreign policy blob.

    No respect for those who understand that imperialism is bad only when it affects them personally.

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      Follow up question: after the string of catastrophic failures and the killing of millions, why didn’t the government stop?

      The lib I work with used to parrot state department talking points such as ‘but it was a dictatorship’ or ‘but what about women’s rights?’, to which I say deal with it with earnest diplomacy (which both myself and now him acknowledging the government doesn’t act in good faith).

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          In what way is current Germany worse than Nazi Germany? I get that easy dunks are easy dunks, but this doesn’t even make any sense.

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            The US military intervention came extremely late and essentially only had the (deliberate) effect of saving European fascism from itself so it could be preserved for future use. Germany was not denazified (in fact, the opposite), and German fascism is right on the cusp of becoming overt again.

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              So, current Germany is worse than Nazi Germany because it may one day become as bad as Nazi Germany again (some 80 years later).

              Was the liberation of Ukraine also a net negative since it seems to be teeming with Banderites?

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                So, current Germany is worse than Nazi Germany

                You are literally the only person here who has said this. The point is that US intervention did not go well for Germany because its primary effect was to protect Nazis from consequences. This is an ice-cold take, the Americans didn’t go into Europe for charity, they went into Europe extremely late to prevent the USSR from liberating it themselves and proceeded to protect and empower fascists all over the world.

                Was the liberation of Ukraine also a net negative since it seems to be teeming with Banderites?

                Ukraine was liberated by the USSR, the Banderites are a cancer that was cultivated for the entire cold war in the Ukrainian diaspora by the CIA before being reintroduced into Ukraine in the 90s. In other words, another example of US intervention in WW2 Europe acting to protect and empower fascism.

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                  If your argument is that the main contribution of US intervention in WW2 was to safeguard the nazis, I don’t know what to say. Keep your idealistic ass posting I guess. I’m done.

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      Because they think that there is significant indigenous resentment against Maduro to create an easy “kick in the rotting door, and then the real insert idealist government here take over” scenario.

      Literally that is the narrative that is circulating online, especially in online Spanish speaking spaces (because, shocker, poor Spanish speaking Venezuelans in Venezuela (who are Maduro’s primary base of support) aren’t going to have a huge online presence and thus will not be heard).

      For alot of ‘became politically aware after October 7th’ types (not this poster specifically), this is going to be their first time dealing with the horseshit surrounding Venezuela and Maduro (who is not a particularly fantastic leader, but still better than any reasonable alternative). They are likely going to think whatever the internet groundswell is because that is honestly how many of them came to understand Palestine.

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        The funniest take is that this will be different than Iraq because there is no ISIS in Venezuela. Ignoring that the invasion of Iraq was the thing that made ISIS establish themselves in Iraq and they only became an influential organisation by moving in after US interventions.

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        I know I see that narrative everywhere in Guatemala. I guess I was more surprised that someone who appears to be Palestinian (could be dead wrong on that) is anti-Maduro after all the Palestinian smearing the Atlanticist’s have been doing.

  • I don’t exactly understand what the palestinian supporter poster is saying, aside from clown pavlou.

    Like, what do you mean by ‘I want Venezuelans to live’? Are you not advocating for US intervention if you believe Maduro bad? Unless you believe there is a non-US backed anti-Maduro faction that’ll somehow spring up.