Hello,
I am European and I want to change phone but I want to avoid OSes maintained by American. Do you have any suggestion ? I am on graphene now, I know about postmarket os but it look like it’s core maintainer are from US.
Regards
Your only real opinion outside of Graphine is Huawei’s HarmonyOS
Thanks, I didn’t knew them. Will look if they use the google API to ban alternative store.
/e/OS is maintained by Murena, a French company
/e/ OS shouldnt be used, its nor secure or private
sailfish or go flip phony
Ho yeah sailfish seem dope. Thanks
Depending on your morals here you could look into various android CFW. It does still rely on google’s updates to android somewhat but isn’t really managed by them. It’s very possible to completely block google play services and use an alternative appstore.
You can import kei phones from japan if Japanese management is acceptable. I don’t know all the details but they seem to work ok here.
I probably don’t need to tell you but to anyone else in this thread: do NOT get some og blackberry and try to start using it. The OS is pretty insecure at this point, you’re better off getting a dumb phone (also I tried it in 2020 and the android app integration is kinda awful).
Yeah tried to run Ubuntu on blackberry this is a pain
if i may ask, what’s the problem with an American maintainer? they don’t necessarily represent U.S. interests, and at this stage there is absolutely NOTHING more secure than GrapheneOS
Yeah for now.but the is is going full nazi or civil war ans with google going to block third party installer and google stopping to share device tree for aosp I don’t feel they have a bright future.
Why? The reason will have a significant impact on which devices and nations you’re looking at.
Can’t trust this state and these products. They are enshitificating so fast it is far beyond time to jump off the boat and let them burn by them self.
It’s gonna be tough avoiding the reach of the us surveillance/intelligence state. The hardware is easy, afaik no phone is actually manufactured in the us. Some may be assembled in the states but none of those use domestically produced components.
The reason it’s so hard to avoid the reach of the us intelligence apparatus has mostly to do with Israeli/eyes integration. Often that information sharing is built into the very networks, governments, law enforcement and data markets used all over the world.
Your phones os could be free from the untrustworthy grasp of the vile American developer, but it would still have to connect to infrastructure with built in law enforcement backdoors, use programs that make use of American servers if not directly employ American programmers and receive transmissions from services provided by Americans.
If you’re serious about removing the influence of the American intelligence apparatus we call the internet from your life, a clean break, permanent logoff is the simplest solution.
Be wary of people suggesting you switch to handsets and software developed by prc companies or other obvious choices. There’s a trend in the west to blacklist imei (the unique device numbers used to identify phones when they make network connections) ranges unique to those devices. You might buy some hot shit new xiaomi and find out your provider refuses to connect to it or requires you to install their surveillance package first, landing you back where you started.
I’m using recent iphones, pixels with graphene and other stuff.
