• MarmiteLover123 [comrade/them, any]@hexbear.net
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    10 days ago

    I actually saw all the clips on twitter to be honest. I don’t use twitch. The story is currently “everywhere”, it even made it to Forbes.

    I literally saw someone post the link to the original YouTube on twitter, and took the screenshots myself.

    I don’t understand what’s the need for me to be interrogated like this, like I was committing some kind of thought crime for daring to watch the primary source video in response to someone claiming the images were photoshopped, and taking my own screenshots to disprove the “photoshop theory”. Seriously? This is bordering on cult behaviour and making me feel very uncomfortable. What happened to thinking for yourself?

    • purpleworm [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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      10 days ago

      You’re conflating me with other people. What I’m saying is not that it’s evil to look at primary sources (of course it fucking isn’t), what I’m saying is that you just shrugging your shoulders and saying “there’s no narrative here” when literally the only reason that you know about this is because of the narrative that you were presented prior to seeing anything about it is ridiculous. It’s complete illiteracy regarding how real propaganda works, how priming works, how anything in media works, to just take this unfalsifiable claim and present it as basically equivalent to the much more plausible claims and act like you’re standing above the stories that you were told because you watched some twitter clips yourself, even if that does put you higher than some Klein fans who seem to not even watch whole clips that were taken precisely for these sorts of attacks.

      It’s also just really fucking tiring how these attacks never ever stop, and ultimately any sane person who wants to do anything else with their life needs to learn pattern recognition to understand that sources that have established themselves as bad faith are a deliberate waste of time to keep re-investigating from square one with every new conspiracy theory they bring up. Like, have you ever needed to deal with a Holocaust denier for a protracted period of time? I have, and like with other conspiracists, there’s just no point in continuing to treat everything as good faith after you’ve gone through a few of their horseshit theories, but then as soon as you tell them that you’re done playing this game, they will tell you that you’re being unfair, and intellectually dishonest or lazy, and the truth or falsity of whatever else you might point to doesn’t have a bearing on the truth of this new claim, so actually if you don’t fight it from square one, you’re basically conceding to it, and just choosing to believe the contrary. Sure seems like you’re small-minded sheep, doesn’t it? So keep talking to me, keep validating my bullshit by acting like it’s in good faith, and I’ll keep wasting your time telling you about the fucking swimming pools in Auschwitz and the Red Cross report and the ignition point of corpses and replacement gas chamber doors and on and on and on and on.

      It sounds like you’re not familiar with this paradigm of bullshit, so to you, perhaps it’s like you’re a spectator coming in at the tail end of that conversation, and it sure seems like the denialist is trying to engage in open, spirited discussion to get to the truth of the matter and the non-denialist is just closed-minded and dogmatic. I can’t tell you how many of these bullshit accusations I’ve seen from the rabid internet cults of pedophilic zionists (there are several! e.g. Klein, Destiny, Nux) trying to slander Hasan with spurious bullshit, so them “just asking questions” about Kaya here does not actually constitute to me a good reason to be concerned about if he electrocutes his fucking dog because obviously they are just saying shit. The fact that people are talking voicing support for this hypothesis does not mean it is plausible, nor does the fact that it’s completely unfalsifiable. They are just relying on conspiracist patterns of confirmation bias, where just so long as their explanation is possible, because it evades any method of refutation, that somehow gives it parity with all the other explanations and we should therefore be taking it seriously.