context: https://lemmy.world/comment/19435041 PattyMcB@lemmy.world
It’s sad that I want W [George. W. Bush.] back. It would still be a massive upgrade, though [compared to Trump]
stoy replies:
When I see old GWB footage I see a US president, trying to do what he believes is best for the nation, I disagree with him on plenty of stuff, but I don’t question his commitment.
Bronzebeard replies:
Can we not whitewash the atrocities that WBush put on this nation? Is Trump worse? yes. But Bush paved the way for the shit that he’s doing.
He lied is into multiple 2-decades long wars that cost us trillions of dollars could have helped everyone in the US have a better life, 10s of thousands of lives lost. He vastly expanded the domestic surveillance apparatus that is plaguing us now. He ushered in the worst economic collapse in a century, them used that crisis to funnel more money to the rich who caused it.
to which stoy replies:
Oh, I absolutely agree with you, GWB was not a good man, but he knew how to act presidential, you didn’t have to be completely embarrassed when you saw him on TV.
he kept the planes running on time
Mission accomplished
Well not around when 9/11 happened
the two planes that mattered that day got to their destination as scheduled
three. the pentagon got hit.
that one arrived on time but not at its intended destination (comet pizza)
wasn’t a plane
Maybe but then how long did planes get grounded?
Or especially around 9/11
10s of thousands of lives lost
even the ‘good’ liberal in the screenshot only considers amerikkkan lives as mattering
You are also referring to the 1 million dead (and counting) Iraqis during “operation desert storm”?
Desert storm was bush senior, operation Iraqi freedom (million dead+) was W
In 1999, the Democratic Party was telling us that the upcoming election was the most important in our lifetime, and Bush was an existential threat to Democracy. Now he’s “presidential” and “well-intentioned” but misguided. Ok.
“It is 1999, the Democrats are saying the republican candidate is going to destroy democracy.”
“It is 2015, the Democrats are saying the republican candidate is going to destroy democracy.”
“It is 2023, the Democrats are saying the republican candidate is going to destroy democracy.”
“It is 2027, the Democrats are saying the republican candidate is going to destroy democracy.”
“It is 2039, the Democrats are saying the republican candidate is going to destroy democracy.”
The truth is that there is no democracy to destroy in USA.
In 1999? That’s not true. Dems didnt call their opponents a threat to democracy until Trump. Until the election being a total fiasco it was pretty much another America Flips a Coin election
Just imagine how wild the state of politics is gonna be when people start reminiscing about the stability of the Trump years.
the only thing libs talked about at the time was how stupid bush was what do you mean he wasn’t an embarassment? if that’s your main standard he doesn’t even meet it!!
Yuuuuuup. Bush was constantly saying and doing the absolute buffoonery that made libs upset over what Trump does now. Some Bush classics (not verbatim):
“See kids? You too can be president with only Cs in school.”
“Fool me once shame on…shame on…can’t be shamed again.”
“Now watch this drive!”
“Axis of evildoers.”
“Aergwahalalagaahahaghhhh!!!” (Bush that time he choked on a pretzel)
And this is like the best thing he ever said, on par with Trump’s “covfefe” and his shoutout to “the late great Hannibal Lecter”.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
I saw in a little free library a book of “Bushisms” about how bad Bush was with words.
I also saw a book of “Quayleisms” from Dan Quayle’s time which blew my mind because I didn’t know that the “Bushisms” thing wasn’t new
You didn’t have to be completely embarrassed when you saw him on TV.
Was this person born in 2008 or did they get hit with the neuralizer?
That’s not fair, they could have also been born basically any time after 9/11
The hatred i have for GWB is beyond description. He was for sure worse, you just didnt notice how much at the time
OK but that makes him worse. The fact that Trump is “embarrassing” and divisive makes him fundamentally less dangerous, because he doesn’t have the whole country unified behind him. Bush did all kinds of evil shit but he was “presidential” enough to at one point have like a 90% approval rating, while being just as much of an evil piece of shit. Bush genuflected to the rhetoric of “we don’t hate Muslims” while murdering them en masse and everyone fucking clapped because he did so “politely.” I guess that’s what libs are after, ultimately, all the same policies and objectives, just with respect for the Rule of Law and without “rude” or “embarrassing” rhetoric.
My hatred of Bush will keep burning hot and pure until the day my heart stops beating. Never will anything change that.
Bush did all kinds of evil shit but he was “presidential” enough to at one point have like a 90% approval rating, while being just as much of an evil piece of shit.
To be fair, he was a fool who constantly humiliated himself on national and international television. That approval rating was because the American people are (and were especially at the time) genocidal, so they were able to pretend that he was competent for a short while in order to kill as many Arabs as possible. You can see it happen occasionally with Trump, especially coming from liberal media commentators and especially in his first term. “This is the day he finally became president.”
Bush was the fucking devil, and the fact that so many liberal Americans whitewash him today only reinforces that they are genocidal. That’s what they want. That’s what’s Presidential. The destruction of the lives of people in the third world. What I’m saying is that Trump could probably have come close to that approval rating in his first term with the right circumstance. Given another 9/11, he could easily do so now.
My hatred of Bush will keep burning hot and pure until the day my heart stops beating. Never will anything change that.
Same
and I hold in contempt anyone who defends him
It’s the most natural byproduct of liberal alarmism. We need to have an unfathomable new threat that dwarfs all past threats in order to scare you into voting for a Democrat whose policies often mirror those of the past threats or worse. What could come of that except the whitewashing of old evils?
Completely ignore history, the deeper systemic issue. Focus on the current Problem, until it gets worse.
DragonBall Z-ass threat assessment skills
It literally is. Trump is basically Jiren to these people, and I guess Reagan and GWB are Vegeta and Frieza, respectively.
When I see old Trump footage I see a US president, trying to do what he believes is best for the nation, I disagree with him on plenty of stuff, but I don’t question his commitment.
When I see current President Fuentes footage, I don’t see a president, I see either toddler throwing his toys (the US, the US citizens, and the federal government) at the wall and stomping on them, or a stupid spiteful man who is trying desperately to destroy any kind of liberty outside of the weird US conservative sphere.
Bush couldn’t go two days without some gaff, which were so common, they called them bushisms.
Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?
someone told me once he speaks Spanish better than he speaks english
In you go Stoy:
Should’ve started a lib struggle session about how Trump won his elections fair and square while Bush Jr. stole it lmao
Stoy is either a child, or voted for Bush. Either way.
I understand the Bush hate, I really do. But it’s Obama who makes my blood boil. He had the public meditate to, practically ran on, rolling back everything Bush did.
And then he doubled down on all of it. Glossy sheen of Liberal Respectability. Bush was always gonna be Bush, but Obama ran under a farce before attaining office and revealing himself to be just another (self-described!) Reaganite.
someone is sorely misremembering gwb here… he was a complete doofus who could only string a sentence together slightly better than Biden could
