On Sep 20, TPUSA spokesperson Andrew Kolvet posted a statement on twitter that Charlie Kirk was a “man of steel” and stopped the bullet from reaching other people.
A lot of gun-youtubers reacted by saying that the bullet found with the gun is too big to match the wounds inflicted.
On Sep 21, Alex Jones said that he spoke to Andrew Kolvet and Charlie Kirk’s surgeon. The surgeon allegedly told Alex Jones that the bullet traveled downwards into the torso after hitting Kirk.
Today, Alex Jones has a former-Green-Beret gun-youtuber on his show to say that the bullets are too big and that there must have been a second shooter.
https://xcancel.com/RealAlexJones/status/1970928473918357949#m
(cw video has shooting footage and transphobia)
Guys I think the Pope did it
A little more than a week before his murder, Kirk attended a pro-life prayer breakfast in Visalia, California, which is in the Diocese of Fresno. The bishop was among those in attendance and had a brief, private moment with Kirk.
It was there that Kirk told the bishop about his Catholic wife and children and how he attended Mass with them. He punctuated this conversation with “I love my Catholic pastor.”
As they were parting to attend the more public portion of the prayer breakfast, Kirk mentioned speculation regarding his contemplating entering the Catholic Church, saying: “I’m this close.”
Why would he call a priest a “Catholic pastor”? I smell a double agent.
Charlie was a Protestant. He was considering converting to Catholic 1 week before death.
Then there’s a video of Candace Owens saying that she begged Charlie to convert to Catholic. At the end of the video, she says that the difference between Catholic and Protestants is that Catholics don’t call themself “Judeo-Christian”. Candace is implying that Israel wanted Charlie to stay a Protestant because Protestants are more often Christian Zionists.
It’s really messed up that we’re ending up with all these people. Candace, JD Vance, and Charlie Kirk? Who’s next, Stephen Miller? Why do we get all the nazis?
Also, kinda funny that I found this article talking about right wing Catholic converts in US politics and it was written exactly 1 year before the assassination.
That’s why The Pope did it. The Pope didn’t want Charlie Kirk to be Catholic.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Pope Francis lives.
So the white house is gonna sue him for misinformation then too right?
Does anyone else feel like it’d be fun to have Alex Jones’ job and just make shit up about a bunch of conspiracies? Like imagine if that was what you got paid to do.
Would be funny if he threw enough crap at the wall and eventually got a really important conspiracy right, so they take him out.
That’s an episode of American Dad lol.
Nah, it’s got to be incredibly stressful to have your every move scrutinized by fed handlers.
You know what it’s like to go to sleep every night knowing you work for a bunch of psychotic killers, and you bastards are probably gonna end up killing me one day?! You know what it’s like knowing you’ve ruined my life?! You know what it’s like, you sons of b*tches?![1]
—Alex Jones
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
It’s like writing for SCP or something like that but it’s real life.
Yeah it’d be fun, the problem is I keep scabbing against myself by doing it for the love of the game, and people say “why pay for the cuddlefish when the milk is free?”
has a former-Green-Beret gun-youtuber on his show to say that the bullets are too big and that there must have been a second shooter.
when i orchestrate an assassination i always give the bigger and more likely to kill weapon to the patsy and have my actual assassin with a weaker weapon camping out closer to the target
mostly just commenting to say green berets fucking suck they’ve only ever murdered civilians, never successfully trained an antiinsurgent force, never defeated a superior adversary, but they did make a stupid fucking movie with john wayne once so i guess they must be experts
We can take solace in the fact that John Wayne’s character probably gets blown the fuck up some time after the end of the movie.
The only justification I can think of is that the real shooter was closer range, given the belief that the bullet was a smaller caliber, and so the fake rifle would be to make the false longer range of the shot more plausible. idk, I’m not a gun person and I don’t believe there was a second gunman anyway. I’d sooner believe the one guy just has two guns and they failed to find the one he actually used, though that doesn’t really make sense to me either.
the very idea the bullet wouldn’t create that wound is entirely baseless, someone who thinks they can tell the milimeters of difference between calibers based on miliseconds of distant camera footage is a fucking liar.
which is why they brought a fuckin grene beret on, if anyones gonna be confidently lying about military shit it may as well be a SOCOM dullard
I think the complaint usually isn’t about the entry wound but the lack of an exit wound.
there isnt any public evidence for or against an exit wound, is there?
AFAIK it’s just the statement from the TPUSA guy.
Supposedly there were people behind the tent and in all of the million people looking at the footage at multiple angles over and over there don’t seem to be reports of a speck of blood from an exit wound being spotted or any other evidence that it went through him.
I should repeat though that I don’t personally know anything about this, I’m just repeating what I heard to explain what a popular narrative is.
Does UVU have a grassy knoll on its campus?
Someone tell him it was a Mossad spy.
Why The Fuck Do Boomers Capitalize Every Word Like That?
Whenever there is a conspiracy, the first question is who benefits? Some are saying Kirk was turning against Israel, and that’s why Mossad had him killed. Even if Kirk was turning against Israel, there are still a lot of Right Wing media personality that is very pro Israel, and you also have the mega churches. Kirk might have some influence, but Israel’s support on the Right is still massive with or without Kirk.
To me, the one who benefited the most is Trump, the 24/7 media coverage has really put the Epstein files on the back burner. And the alleged shooter’s romantic relationship with his Trans roommate also gives Trump more fuel to feed his rabid followers that there is an “Antifa terrorist network”. It’ll be hillarious if a conspiracy that “Trump had Charlie killed” picks up steam lol.
I’ve seen a video, that is circulating of the alleged second shooter, he’s right in the front row, just behind the barricades, probably around 10 ft away from Kirk. He’s in a brown shirt, sunglasses, he loooks like some secret agent or a professional hitman. He does something funny with his hand right when the sound of the shot is fired. The conspiracy is that he’s using a palm pistol, and he quickly tucks it under his armpit after firing. It might be AI altered, but if there really was a second shooter, he certainly looks like one.
Can’t post this type of thing without the vid
Wouldn’t you hear two shots for two shooters? You can also probably triangulate/measure how long the gunshot sound takes to arrive from different videos and determine if it was from the roof or from the stage.
Seeing the stills of the alleged shooter climbing the stairs and the video of him dropping down the rooftop, without the gun obviously showing in either before or after footage, maybe it was the guy at the stage. The investigators pretty surely know – a rifle bullet or one out of a palm gun (whatever that is, im not a gun expert).
Anyway, funny how people like me, who have almost no facts, can let their imaginations run wild.
Attached the closeup video again without sound. Looks like what I expect the rifle would look like. Just not sure where he hid it. Maybe he pre-stashed it on the roof?
kirk’s wife benefited 🤔
Surprised he waited so long before squeezing his freinds death lik a conspiracy sponge for views and clicks.
Alex has gotten soft. The Alex Jones I knew would’ve called Charlie Kirk a crisis actor who faked his death.
Charlie Kirk was the second shooter 😏
Maybe Israel did do it then
Jones is, if nothing else, good at reading the room as far as where the wind is blowing in the right. Trumps losing the mandate of heaven
no he’s not, he’s been on and off the trump train for years and years, his whole schtick is saying ten million different things and then harping on the one or two that seemed sorta correct in hindsight
He’s not been on and off for years lol, he’s been on and off for the past year, yeah, but he has never gotten into a conspiracy against Trump’s fed until now.
Kirk got mowed down by his own grassy knoll shooter. Neat! Just like Kennedy!
OK I’ve been meaning to ask because I saw a video by I think that guy on the right slowing down the CKirk shooting zoomed in claiming to demonstrate that he was shot in the back/side of the head, that the throat wound was an exit wound, and that the way his body seized was consistent with a head shot.
I can’t evaluate the seizing claim, having never shot a human being before. As a wee cuddlefish I did used to
description of hunting animals
hunt and when I shot those poor birds they didn’t seize up, they immediately went limp. This guy claims from deer hunting that seizing is consistent with when he’s shot deer in the spine and therefore that translates to a shot to the brain, but while they’re both central nervous they’re not the same. I know birds and mammals aren’t the same but we’re both vertebrates and I would expect something so fundamental as the central nervous system’s behavior upon destruction to be comparable
Also the guy’s soldier friend is supposedly familiar with entry and exit wounds because he’s been shot. That reeks of bullshit. Dude hasn’t been shot in the head or neck.
:::spoilerNevertheless the timing of the movements on the slowed down video and a purported spatter of blood, got me thinking sure, this looks weird and I can see why he’s saying what he’s saying just based on when CKirk flinches and when we see blood.
But, in a scientific study we’re supposed to look for alternative explanations or confounding effects rather than saying “yep, hypothesis proven, high fives all around!” and while this is no study, rigor still matters. Alternative confounding factors things that weren’t explained (also idk if they’re relevant, I’m not a ballistics expert):
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Was it a subsonic or supersonic round? Could he have heard the shot before it hit and flinched because of that?
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if he was shot in the back of the head as this guy claims, shouldn’t someone present have seen the wound and said something?
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there’s a claim that the bullet can be seen on the video approaching his head from up and the back. I straight up do not find it plausible that a cell phone camera with that fuzzy of resolution could also pick up a bullet streak. There’s refresh rates, there’s resolution and definition, and I don’t buy it.
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there’s a claim that a reflection is seen of a shooter. Sure, I see it when he points it out. But pareidolia is a known phenomenon, that’s not proof there was a 2nd shooter.
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footage like this can be doctored and I don’t have the expertise to identify video editing artifacts. How do we know this guy’s buddy didn’t just make it up or was not himself looking at doctored footage?
Lastly, if intelligence merced Kirk, they have some reason for it I can’t imagine because he’s not at all who I’d expect and if Robinson is a patsy then he’s not a very convenient one when it comes to a false flag operation
Could he have heard the shot before it hit and flinched because of that?
No, .30-06 rounds have a muzzle velocity of at least 760 m/s per wikipedia
if he was shot in the back of the head as this guy claims, shouldn’t someone present have seen the wound and said something?
Not sure, but it does conflict with the report that there was no exit wound. From the official perspective, the “exit wound” would actually be the entry wound of the real shot from the back.
Personally I think it’s hard to believe that there could possibly be a second shooter. They wouldn’t have relied on Robinson turning himself in after a really poorly done 36 hour manhunt, all the stuff with the roommate is weird to have arranged (why not have her be involved explicitly?), and the motive checks out.
Oh thank you for checking on the .30-06 muzzle velocity!
Personally I think it’s hard to believe that there could possibly be a second shooter. They wouldn’t have relied on Robinson turning himself in after a really poorly done 36 hour manhunt, all the stuff with the roommate is weird to have arranged (why not have her be involved explicitly?), and the motive checks out.
Yeah it’s jsut too weird.
throat wound was an exit wound
There is no way that wound was a gunshot exit wound, unless maybe the bullet was like a subsonic .22 or something? Maybe not even then, I don’t know how the ballistics get with super low power stuff, but either way that is not what gunshot exit wounds normally look like
I do think the bullet hit his spine or brain stem or something though, I’ve been saying that the whole time. I just don’t think it had to come from behind to do that
Trying to do a public assassination like this with a single subsonic .22 shot to the head would be more ridiculously incompetent than I can imagine even for the US intelligence services.
I think you’re right about the spine/brain stem thing. I’ve had the misfortune of seeing some footage of people shot in the head (like that famous televised suicide where he was keeping a pistol in an envelope) and they normally go limp and definitely didn’t posture like that. I’ve only seen posturing from what looks like a head injury from when that old man at a George Floyd protest got pushed by a pig and hit the back of his head and postured (he survived and at least partially recovered, thanking those who wished him well). idk what his specific injury was though and there are two major kinds of posturing for different types of injuries I think . . .
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I wonder what the angle will be
