After the recent struggle session which resulted in

isntrael

CW: It’s pretty self indulgent considering the gravity of the actual situation.

I am left disquieted due to various people who represented zionists positions directly or held space for these. Particularly (but not only) those who are admins and mods. People who think the above image is a “holocaust flag”. And otherwise seem to have conjured a fictious form of anti semitism, just for deploying here.

Well OK maybe it is allowed to give people a week or a month to mull things over and reconsider their positions. But do we come back to it? Or should I just seethe with resentment, hold a grudge, and snipe about other things going forward?

On the other hand, the majority & plurality were on the correct side of things. So that’s good. I just… Idk I don’t expect hegemony but this is literally such a simple issue. I don’t know how anyone who feels different could feel comfortable on this site. it’s like learning mods/admins are triggered by a guillotine.


In some ways it could be “the fighting is so fierce because the stakes are so low”. (The stakes = emojis)

But on the other hand, the stakes are so huge and this is just the scale of fighting that’s near at hand.

Nobody ever accused me of being perfect and well behaved so maybe I’m just throwing stones from a glass house. I explicitly must consent to whatever critique in that regard.


I would like to suggest that on the new user signup page the question be changed to read

What are your views on GSM / LGBTQ rights, racial justice, animal liberation, isntrael, and similar movements?

Although I have no idea what sort of answers people make to these. So maybe it’s stupid.


Fucking shit. People are fucking being fucking murdered right at this fucking moment.

  • Venia Silente@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    22 hours ago

    isntrael

    Good one. Calls to attention that Israel is actually just an hallucinated country (the first one that I can recall of), much like all the shit that AIs come up with. It was invented out of over-accommodating for pity, and in terms of being a country should rightfully be treated as such.

    • MLRL_Commie [comrade/them, he/him]@hexbear.net
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      19 hours ago

      Not out of pity, that’s another Zionist lie that people accept out of good faith. It was founded by Zionists as a settler colony with absolutely no pity, and supported by anti-semites as a place to send away their unwanted Jewish population. You could say the UN resolution of 48 was maybe over accommodating for pity. But the Zionist settler colony is older than that one resolution

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        17 hours ago

        a jewish state made sense to people in 1948 because of how they viewed nation-states at the time but that’s some typical “prevailing ideas about a social issue were wrong” shit and the zionists used that sentiment to legitimize their colony in the “international community”

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          17 hours ago

          It was spearheaded by the UK with sustained support from the US (and support at a critical juncture from the USSR), and at least the former two were 100% concerned with doing a settler-colony for the sake of exerting control on the MENA region. If they were so fucking worried about an ethnicity getting a nation-state or something similar, they could have supported the USSR idea of internally making one, the proposal to cut it out of Germany, or the US could have used some of its massive space (that they weren’t giving back to the indigenous population they stole it from) to make a “reservation” of sorts. There were so many other options that would have been at least less grotesque than Palestinian ethnic cleansing (what? Are the Palestinians the only people who fall outside of this nation-state logic?), but they went along with Herzl’s plans for the sake of imperialism.

          Like the db0 lib’s reasoning, this is just another excuse to veil the incredible evil of the most basic premise of the project.