I think a lot of reactionary anti veganism stems from people knowing fuck dick all about cooking so without steaks and shit they envision a lifetime of eating canned green beans and if vegans ever want to not be a minority ideology they need to teach cooking skills like they’re maoists bringing literacy to the mountain ranges
I’m an adult, I hate vegetables. We exist, and we demand to be taken seriously
Everytime I imagined a vegan utopia, I couldn’t imagine it happening with a mass education program to teach cooking skills. And especially by making a bunch of recipes and having cafeterias/canteens in every street that serve cheap, filling and healthy vegan food. Such a mass program would eliminate hunger, many diseases and animal agriculture pretty much.
Alas, I can also imagine the liberals going “errrm
, what about freedom?”.And especially by making a bunch of recipes and having cafeterias/canteens in every street that serve cheap, filling and healthy vegan food.
I imagine this is the real solution. People are tired, and just want to do something easy they know. Humans deserve easily accessible, cheap food. Just getting rid of real estate and rents would do much of the work to making this happen.
Nationalize McDonald’s and make it have a vegan menu and it’ll take off. People want convenience and low cost
Iirc they have fully vegetarian mccdonalds in India. It’s funnt becauae it’s not like the processed sludge at fast foodplaces even resembles meat as it is.
Exactly. Just make sure the flavor and texture are close enough and the average person won’t give a shit
Fuck carnism and fuck vegan bootlicking. If cows could take up arms, there would be no need for veganism
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Activism is only worthwhile when I’m supporting my country’s military.
Why don’t they join the foreign league if they care so much.
Remember when a bunch of them did at the beginning and they all got blown up because they couldn’t stop tweeting about where their FOB was?
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Seriously. Willing another country to fight your proxy war seems Amerikan football fan AF. (Sorry how do I describe someone who likes watching poor people hurt themselves for his entertainment?)
No, you nailed it. This is couch fan behaviour.
Regardless of whether you’re vegan or not, I’ve always found being explicitly anti-vegan profoundly weird. It has to be because of either conscious or unconscious guilt, right? Vegans existing doesn’t harm anyone in any way, so the only explanation I can come up with for hating them is that there are people who cannot handle even a zeptosecond of self-reflection because they are tiny babies
It has to be because of either conscious or unconscious guilt, right?
Nah, that’s more reflective of what vegans would like to think their motivation is. I think it’s a combination of toxic masculinity and class bias. The former, that stereotype of the “my food poops on your food” mentality, rah rah hunter man eat meat be strong hairy caveman. The latter, that goes back to the feudal era when the peasants subsisted on root vegetables and garbage cuts of meat that had to be boiled for three hours just to be able to chew it, while the nobles and aristocrats feasted on rib roasts.
So for them, veganism means being a poor soy boy. And you know how reactionaries get when anyone suggests they reconsider how they see themselves vis a vis class and masculinity.
It’s because there’s been a push in online to demonize vegans and paint them as annoying and woke. It’s basically the same as the anti-feminist stuff over 10 years ago.
There needn’t be a push. People isolated from significant global warming discourse or animal rights issues, which is a load of people wherever one may be, don’t really get why vegans are “the way they are.”
Not even rhetoric, the mere existence of vegans with explanations of their reasons can create thoughts of “are you saying I don’t care about the environment/animal welfare” in their skulls. I’m not even vegan, I just happen to know a few, but talking about those people’s veganism, I’ve seen too many people have really weird notions behind their eyes before reaching the conclusion “whatever”
the less-generous read is that they’re just
getting defensive about their treatsSame thing. Back when I had more treaterlite tendencies in me I would get defensive about my treats precisely because I was deeply uncomfortable with the facts about my treats.
I’m a vegan and i agree. This behavior hurts our cause
Oh look, it’s the pick me loser who always shows up in these threads saying you have to be respectful to carnists!
There’s also ”mmm muh bacon and borgir” and ”vegoons are weak”, of course.
I know the words ”vegan” and ”reddit” in the title meant I shouldn’t have even clicked the link, but…
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A lot of these people get really uncomfortable when you point out they’re behaving exactly the same way racists do about black activism. Or homophobes to LGBT activism. The cry throughout that thread is repeatedly “You’re trying to force your beliefs on me” and yeah, they are, and that’s ok, they morally believe that animals shouldn’t be killed for food just as others morally believe trans people deserve equal rights. Some of them believe animals should have equal rights too, some might not, but the various rights causes are comparable.
White supremacy is the contradiction for racial causes. Male cishetero supremacy(patriarchy) is the contradiction for lgbt people. Human supremacy over animals is the contradiction in the vegan cause.
I am not vegan but I find it relatively easy to see this.
The reactionaries in all causes that are fundamentally about supremacism of a sort are all very similar.
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Carnism isn’t even pro meat, it’s just a reactionary response to veganism. Nobody actually wants to have a diet consisting solely of raw steak and eggs.
Nobody actually wants to have a diet consisting solely of raw steak and eggs.
It’s just some form of advanced virtue signaling.
Carnism just means using animal products, what you’re describing is a ””carnivore”” diet.
Unfortunately, I think some people do want that.
Ah, gotcha. Thanks for the correction
Reading reddit was your first mistake
Posting it here to make us read it as well was the second mistake.
The solution to both me going to reddit and me making you read reddit is posting more
From the linked thread:
“it’s too ingrained for the masses to be simply guilt tripped to stop eating animals. They simply taste too good.”
A wild new spin on victim blaming for 2025. “Sorry you have to die pig. I know you can do basic arithmetic and display emotional responses on par with a human toddler but I simply cannot handle the idea of not eating something as tasty as you. It’s my biology. Ps if you hurt my dog I’ll kill you”
Funny how it’s always just about your individual choice to eat meat and the animals being killed don’t factor into the equation.
Funny how it’s always just about your individual choice
I’m imagining a libertarian dude brother who defends animal rights by invoking the NAP.
Would be a funny type a guy. If any of these reddit liberals were consistent in their own liberalism they would be vegans at the bare minimum.
a debate between that guy and a “you can kill and eat specific animals if they tried to kill you” guy would send me
Guy #1: Don’t eat animals! It violates the NAP!
Guy # 2: What if the animal was violating the NAP?
Guy #1: The animals can’t understand the NAP so you can’t kill them for not following it. Even if a creature doesn’t understand the NAP, doesn’t mean it doesn’t apply to them. For example, killing a human baby would definitely go against the NAP.
Guy #3: I wonder if I can bait animals into violating the NAP so I can hunt them 🤔.
Guy #4: Let’s teach English and the NAP to the animals
Imagine a sit-com of just different types of libertarians and anarchists trying to live in the same town and adjust to each other. There will be a liberal who thinks he is part of the team but he is not.
I’d have some respect for a guy like that, of course it’d never happen because lolbertarians are treatlerite hogs who apply their own principles inconsistently in a matter that suits them.
It’d necessitate a questioning of their own beliefs too, because the continued existence of a practice like factory farming doesn’t reflect well on the Free Market.
Back when I used to debate with libertarians, the more consistent among them did acknowledge the need for a legal system that would restrict the “rights” of individuals to violate the NAP and to enforce private property rights.
Some of the more radical libertarians would take this as betrayal, while the white supremacists didn’t give a shit about philosophical debates and instead just wanted to segregate themselves from minorities (and they believed that minorities would die out without welfare).
It was all very funny looking back on it.
“it’s too ingrained for the masses to be simply guilt tripped to stopping slavery. It’s simply too convenient.”
Something really clicked for me on an emotional and moral level when I realized that meat eating was just being fussy
didnt take long for the first
“I’m a vegan and this hurts our cause.”
comment to show up. Ugh just shut the fuck up at that point, fucking pick-me behaviour.
“Smh those vegans didn’t rip him to shreds with their bare hands, this proves the failure of their ideology”
In fairness when I saw the sub was called “crazy fucking videos” I knew it was going to be full of shit.
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More people would become vegans if there was a cyborg marxist doom slayer running round and ripping people up.
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