Why should I engage in any faith good or bad when they accused me of “white pearl clutching” when I told them that Zionism isn’t about Jewish supremacy it is about white supremacy and to look to how they treat non-white Jews?
We all know that emoji represents Israel it just doesn’t have the star of david on it. So the only issue they seem to have is not having that symbol on the burning flag emoji.
You escalated it into an argument and repeatedly accused them of antisemitism. Your first reply in this thread ends with “get over yourself.” You picked a fight.
You’re doing the exact same thing here, but now you’re doing it as a victory lap so you can talk shit to someone who can’t reply. You’re arguing past them and not in any way engaging with what was actually said. It’s deeply reddit behaviour.
The fact that they got banned and not you for your blatent violations of the code of conduct is pretty concerning. This isnt how you should treat comrades.
Z poster has been constantly hostile to practically everyone to the point of being banned multiple times. They should have been banned for ban evasion prior to this engagement. They repeatedly used the phrase “Jewish exceptionalism” and accused me of “white pearl clutching” when I pointed out that it was actually white supremacy that drives Zionism and gave examples regarding non-white Jews being discriminated against. I’m not talking past anyone I was calling out this specific poster for constantly being a contrarian asshole and in this case treading over the line from anti-Zionism to literal anti-Semitism.
The fact that you all really want to die on this hill of burning the Israeli flag but specifically with the star of david is a bit concerning to me.
We have had multiple users here going full blown anti-Semitic and saying shit like it is right to distrust Jews because of some polls about support for Israel. If I violated the code of conduct, that is only in response to Z Poster REPEATEDLY violating it while engaging in ban evading and vote manipulation with alts.
They repeatedly used the phrase “Jewish exceptionalism” and accused me of “white pearl clutching” when I pointed out that it was actually white supremacy that drives Zionism and gave examples regarding non-white Jews being discriminated against.
Supremacist ideology isn’t exclusive. White supremacy and Jewish supremacy can very easily co-exist. I can’t find anyone in this thread claiming that non-white Jews aren’t discriminated against in Israel.
The fact that you all really want to die on this hill of burning the Israeli flag but specifically with the star of david is a bit concerning to me.
The Israeli flag contains a star of david. You cannot burn an Israeli flag that lacks one as it wouldn’t be the Israeli flag. It would be an imaginary flag of an imaginary country that you invented to get mad at, instead of the very real country which is currently finalising a genocide. Zionists conflate being Jewish with being Israeli to accuse their critics of being antisemitic. You are helping them achieve this goal by continuing to act like the Israeli flag is essentially a Jewish flag. It isn’t. It’s the flag of a white supremacist state. I personally don’t really want to burn any flags, I think it’s probably bad for my lungs. I also don’t really use the burning flag emojis because the emoji finder on here is slow as fuck to load things when I search and also it feels pointless to me.
There are people currently dying, and you think it’s a great idea to run defence for the flag that their murderers hide behind. It’s civility bullshit, and very pearl clutchy. (Is “white pearl clutching” clutching of pearls by a white person, or the clutching of white pearls? Probably the former I guess.)
I don’t really care about zposter(or their alleged army of alts.) I don’t know them and can’t recall any notable interactions with them. They seem like a bit of a dick, really. But not any more of a dick then basically every user here is to random libs who stumble in with bad takes.
I think this is the best interpretation in this thread so far.
It seems like both sides just talking past each other.
zposter has a legitimate criticism of a forum that has burning flag emojis but, as an exception, censors the flag of the genocidal entity because it has a Jewish symbol on it. The examples of the many flags of christian nations with burning crosses is of course different than israel because of how distant the idea of the symbolism is versus the genocidal entity’s flag, but there are certainly many christians in those nations who would see burning their flags as a an attack on christians, people would say that about burning the american flag and it doesn’t even have a cross on it.
Flags represent a lot of things and are intentionally using symbolism for their national project, they don’t get to own the symbolism because they put it on fabric and hoisted it into the air. The ISIS flag has the Shahada on it, they don’t get to own Islam because of their design choices, and if there was an ISIS flag burning emoji on this website that has other burning flag emojis that represent evil groupings of people I wouldn’t really think anything of it. Someone else made the example of a nazi flag with a hindu symbol on it. If we had a burning turkish flag emoji, would we censor the crescent for fear of Islamophobia? or would we say, like with every other burning flag aside from the flag of genocide: the flag of a nation represents that nation and not the symbolism that nation chooses to put in their flag.
If you are going to have flag burning emojis and only choose to censor the one of genocide because of a zionist talking point conflating israel with Judaism, you are ceding territory to zionism and censoring the people most impacted by zionism, Arabs, while “projecting Jewish people” using zionist talking points. It isn’t about burning a Star of David, it’s about burning the actual flag of the actual genocidal nation and not an abstraction of an abstraction. Why have any flag at all if not the actual flag itself? Being for flag burning emojis except for the most hated nation in the world is truly an exception that feels like a microaggression. Not everyone would notice it except for the people it most impacts, and it seems like zposter is getting punished for questioning and challenging this strange exception which they notice because it affects them the most as an Arab person. It is very common for people from oppressed groups to point out microaggressions and be silenced, and often their “tone” and the way they express themselves is used as the reasoning for why they deserve it. It is a textbook example of white people shit, which is probably where the “white pearl clutching” comment comes from. If you want to be a website with burning flag emojis, censor all the flags or none of them. Don’t choose to give an exception for the people committing a heinous genocide right now, especially using their talking points conflating their national project with Judaism. Get rid of all the flag burning emojis if you’re not going to let people use the one that deserves it the most. Honestly, saying that it is a flag that represents white supremacy and not jewish supremacy is an argument AGAINST censoring the flag: if it is a flag of white supremacists and not jewish supremacists, then burning it should be even less of a complex problem.
I feel like those against zposter in this thread have other historic beef with them and I can’t say much about it because I don’t know anything about it. I’ve seen zposter be aggressive in comments, maybe is one of the more consistently forward posters here in that way, but there are quite a few similar posters here who are just as aggressive and even more ultra in my opinion yet don’t seem to get much heat. I have seen them post a lot and I would say most of it is not hostile or aggressive, not enough to say they are a troll or bad faith poster. Getting into it with people on very specific topics is what leftists often find ourselves doing, especially amongst each other, and while I’m sure it can be frustrating for mods/admin to navigate, if you are otherwise posting a lot in a way that isn’t hostile and have some heated back and forths with people it seems par for the course that there will be debate that gets out of hand on a website like this. I have disagreed with zposter’s takes a lot, but I’ve also agreed with a lot and feel like they are a hexbear regular who I actually like to see around and would miss. I don’t know anything about all the alts that sounds like it is probably annoying and a headache for the admins and mods too, I really don’t know how much that is real or if random people are just catching stray bans for being assumed to be an alt of zposter. Either way, I stand by this particular take, I think it is strange to make an exception for one flag using a zionist talking point conflating the zionist nation with judaism at the end of august 2025.
edit: just wanted to plug the time I got called out for “jewish exceptionalism” here to show that I am truly a centrist on this topic: https://hexbear.net/comment/6235281
Agreed, this is all getting pretty fucking ridiculous. ZPoster has some contrarian takes, usually because ZPoster constantly speaks entirely in pragmatic terms and not within other frameworks in my experience. Like saying “Russia is more socialist than China” is wrong in every way EXCEPT if you define leftist by its most important aspect–fighting against the global hegemonic power of the US–and define literal confrontation as more important than economic and developmental goals. Then they are, which I think is the claim.
I disagree with that, as I often do with ZPosters claims, but people are often not engaging whatsoever with ZPosters positions. This Zionist flag being protected is absolutely related to Jewish exceptionalism, where a specific symbol’s relationship to Judaism is put above its use in a genocide in importance. I think the mods are trying to make a defensive argument to avoid the struggles against anti-Semitism accusation (like Awoo said elsewhere), but I find this a terribly weak argument. We are constantly working to oppose anti-Semitism within the community while being principally anti-zionist. This isn’t a shift in that policy at all (we will make the exact same correct arguments as we do now about the destruction of the Zionist entity), but one which removes the unnecessary Jewish exceptionalism imposed by the rest of society.
I wasn’t going to reply but my impulse control isn’t great so I’m taking the bait.
Fuck you. Yesterday I went to a rally where I heard a Palestinian woman read the last will and testament of a murdered journalist. Then after her a man who was on the freedom flotilla spoke on the torture that they faced when captured by the Zionist entity. This wasn’t the first time I’ve gone and it won’t be the last(Australia wide rally on Sunday BTW. Bring three friends.)
I’m disabled and each and every time I go to one of these rallies I end up in pain for days after. I hurt myself to do the little I can do, because it’s all I can do.
I’m a member of a communist party which has fought for Palestine and will continue to do so. I’ve raised money for aid into Palestine, and despite being in poverty I’ve given my own money.
Fuck off you dog. Don’t try to act like you know what I do and don’t do.
And I applaud that as someone that has also contributed what little of my time I can spare to various causes against colonialism including practically all my meager inheritance. But this obsession over the lack of this one emoji is completely fucking absurd and to accuse me of being some fragile white redditor or whatever Z poster is crusading about is extremely offensive and entirely unhelpful. You folks riding to his defense are also wasting energy. He’s banned he’s been banned and if he is spotted evading that ban for the umpteenth time he will be banned again. This is not worth dying on this hill.
And so the fuck are you? We can all do our organizing and spend our 20 minutes arguing on hexbear. Unless you’re now staking a new exception where everyone is wasting their time on here except you?
You and them are both wasting your own energy and mine. Also lmao at saying Russia is more leftist than China. Are you all just Z poster alts? I know he has a bunch and frequently sockpuppets his own defense. Whatever I have to work in the morning. Yall seriously need to touch grass.
nakoichi makes death threats constantly FYI, and has had comments removed for it (meaning mods acknowledge their friend does this) but never is banned or removed from moderating comms
Look up their name in the modlog, they list the removals under things like “chill” to avoid it being obvious
Not really, that’s the only thing that’s missing from our representations of israel, and the thing that Zposter keeps requesting - the specific image of the star of david burning. No other representation will do, only a star of david on fire.
It’s not like this is new, they’ve been doing it for years, and it always comes down to them specifically wanting a burning star of david rather than any other representation of Israel.
Not really, that’s the only thing that’s missing from our representations of israel,
No, the thing that’s missing is a representation of Israel the country. Lehi or any other individual Zionist organisation is not the problem with Israel, the problem is the Zionist project which itself is symbolised with a flag on which there is a star of David.
The “Burning flag” emotes don’t really add anything to my experience of this site, but it is absolutely caving to the zionist framing of Israel as having ownership of Jewishness to say that you can’t denigrate their flag specifically because that’s antisemitic.
Yeah you clearly just really want to burn a star of david.
Deeply bad faith response.
Why should I engage in any faith good or bad when they accused me of “white pearl clutching” when I told them that Zionism isn’t about Jewish supremacy it is about white supremacy and to look to how they treat non-white Jews?
We all know that emoji represents Israel it just doesn’t have the star of david on it. So the only issue they seem to have is not having that symbol on the burning flag emoji.
You escalated it into an argument and repeatedly accused them of antisemitism. Your first reply in this thread ends with “get over yourself.” You picked a fight.
You’re doing the exact same thing here, but now you’re doing it as a victory lap so you can talk shit to someone who can’t reply. You’re arguing past them and not in any way engaging with what was actually said. It’s deeply reddit behaviour.
The fact that they got banned and not you for your blatent violations of the code of conduct is pretty concerning. This isnt how you should treat comrades.
Z poster has been constantly hostile to practically everyone to the point of being banned multiple times. They should have been banned for ban evasion prior to this engagement. They repeatedly used the phrase “Jewish exceptionalism” and accused me of “white pearl clutching” when I pointed out that it was actually white supremacy that drives Zionism and gave examples regarding non-white Jews being discriminated against. I’m not talking past anyone I was calling out this specific poster for constantly being a contrarian asshole and in this case treading over the line from anti-Zionism to literal anti-Semitism.
The fact that you all really want to die on this hill of burning the Israeli flag but specifically with the star of david is a bit concerning to me.
We have had multiple users here going full blown anti-Semitic and saying shit like it is right to distrust Jews because of some polls about support for Israel. If I violated the code of conduct, that is only in response to Z Poster REPEATEDLY violating it while engaging in ban evading and vote manipulation with alts.
Supremacist ideology isn’t exclusive. White supremacy and Jewish supremacy can very easily co-exist. I can’t find anyone in this thread claiming that non-white Jews aren’t discriminated against in Israel.
The Israeli flag contains a star of david. You cannot burn an Israeli flag that lacks one as it wouldn’t be the Israeli flag. It would be an imaginary flag of an imaginary country that you invented to get mad at, instead of the very real country which is currently finalising a genocide. Zionists conflate being Jewish with being Israeli to accuse their critics of being antisemitic. You are helping them achieve this goal by continuing to act like the Israeli flag is essentially a Jewish flag. It isn’t. It’s the flag of a white supremacist state. I personally don’t really want to burn any flags, I think it’s probably bad for my lungs. I also don’t really use the burning flag emojis because the emoji finder on here is slow as fuck to load things when I search and also it feels pointless to me.
There are people currently dying, and you think it’s a great idea to run defence for the flag that their murderers hide behind. It’s civility bullshit, and very pearl clutchy. (Is “white pearl clutching” clutching of pearls by a white person, or the clutching of white pearls? Probably the former I guess.)
I don’t really care about zposter(or their alleged army of alts.) I don’t know them and can’t recall any notable interactions with them. They seem like a bit of a dick, really. But not any more of a dick then basically every user here is to random libs who stumble in with bad takes.
I think this is the best interpretation in this thread so far.
It seems like both sides just talking past each other.
zposter has a legitimate criticism of a forum that has burning flag emojis but, as an exception, censors the flag of the genocidal entity because it has a Jewish symbol on it. The examples of the many flags of christian nations with burning crosses is of course different than israel because of how distant the idea of the symbolism is versus the genocidal entity’s flag, but there are certainly many christians in those nations who would see burning their flags as a an attack on christians, people would say that about burning the american flag and it doesn’t even have a cross on it.
Flags represent a lot of things and are intentionally using symbolism for their national project, they don’t get to own the symbolism because they put it on fabric and hoisted it into the air. The ISIS flag has the Shahada on it, they don’t get to own Islam because of their design choices, and if there was an ISIS flag burning emoji on this website that has other burning flag emojis that represent evil groupings of people I wouldn’t really think anything of it. Someone else made the example of a nazi flag with a hindu symbol on it. If we had a burning turkish flag emoji, would we censor the crescent for fear of Islamophobia? or would we say, like with every other burning flag aside from the flag of genocide: the flag of a nation represents that nation and not the symbolism that nation chooses to put in their flag.
If you are going to have flag burning emojis and only choose to censor the one of genocide because of a zionist talking point conflating israel with Judaism, you are ceding territory to zionism and censoring the people most impacted by zionism, Arabs, while “projecting Jewish people” using zionist talking points. It isn’t about burning a Star of David, it’s about burning the actual flag of the actual genocidal nation and not an abstraction of an abstraction. Why have any flag at all if not the actual flag itself? Being for flag burning emojis except for the most hated nation in the world is truly an exception that feels like a microaggression. Not everyone would notice it except for the people it most impacts, and it seems like zposter is getting punished for questioning and challenging this strange exception which they notice because it affects them the most as an Arab person. It is very common for people from oppressed groups to point out microaggressions and be silenced, and often their “tone” and the way they express themselves is used as the reasoning for why they deserve it. It is a textbook example of white people shit, which is probably where the “white pearl clutching” comment comes from. If you want to be a website with burning flag emojis, censor all the flags or none of them. Don’t choose to give an exception for the people committing a heinous genocide right now, especially using their talking points conflating their national project with Judaism. Get rid of all the flag burning emojis if you’re not going to let people use the one that deserves it the most. Honestly, saying that it is a flag that represents white supremacy and not jewish supremacy is an argument AGAINST censoring the flag: if it is a flag of white supremacists and not jewish supremacists, then burning it should be even less of a complex problem.
I feel like those against zposter in this thread have other historic beef with them and I can’t say much about it because I don’t know anything about it. I’ve seen zposter be aggressive in comments, maybe is one of the more consistently forward posters here in that way, but there are quite a few similar posters here who are just as aggressive and even more ultra in my opinion yet don’t seem to get much heat. I have seen them post a lot and I would say most of it is not hostile or aggressive, not enough to say they are a troll or bad faith poster. Getting into it with people on very specific topics is what leftists often find ourselves doing, especially amongst each other, and while I’m sure it can be frustrating for mods/admin to navigate, if you are otherwise posting a lot in a way that isn’t hostile and have some heated back and forths with people it seems par for the course that there will be debate that gets out of hand on a website like this. I have disagreed with zposter’s takes a lot, but I’ve also agreed with a lot and feel like they are a hexbear regular who I actually like to see around and would miss. I don’t know anything about all the alts that sounds like it is probably annoying and a headache for the admins and mods too, I really don’t know how much that is real or if random people are just catching stray bans for being assumed to be an alt of zposter. Either way, I stand by this particular take, I think it is strange to make an exception for one flag using a zionist talking point conflating the zionist nation with judaism at the end of august 2025.
edit: just wanted to plug the time I got called out for “jewish exceptionalism” here to show that I am truly a centrist on this topic: https://hexbear.net/comment/6235281
Good post. I hope the mods read it
Agreed, this is all getting pretty fucking ridiculous. ZPoster has some contrarian takes, usually because ZPoster constantly speaks entirely in pragmatic terms and not within other frameworks in my experience. Like saying “Russia is more socialist than China” is wrong in every way EXCEPT if you define leftist by its most important aspect–fighting against the global hegemonic power of the US–and define literal confrontation as more important than economic and developmental goals. Then they are, which I think is the claim.
I disagree with that, as I often do with ZPosters claims, but people are often not engaging whatsoever with ZPosters positions. This Zionist flag being protected is absolutely related to Jewish exceptionalism, where a specific symbol’s relationship to Judaism is put above its use in a genocide in importance. I think the mods are trying to make a defensive argument to avoid the struggles against anti-Semitism accusation (like Awoo said elsewhere), but I find this a terribly weak argument. We are constantly working to oppose anti-Semitism within the community while being principally anti-zionist. This isn’t a shift in that policy at all (we will make the exact same correct arguments as we do now about the destruction of the Zionist entity), but one which removes the unnecessary Jewish exceptionalism imposed by the rest of society.
Yes there are and you are wasting all this energy over a fucking emoji. Go the fuck outside. Fuck off.
I wasn’t going to reply but my impulse control isn’t great so I’m taking the bait.
Fuck you. Yesterday I went to a rally where I heard a Palestinian woman read the last will and testament of a murdered journalist. Then after her a man who was on the freedom flotilla spoke on the torture that they faced when captured by the Zionist entity. This wasn’t the first time I’ve gone and it won’t be the last(Australia wide rally on Sunday BTW. Bring three friends.)
I’m disabled and each and every time I go to one of these rallies I end up in pain for days after. I hurt myself to do the little I can do, because it’s all I can do.
I’m a member of a communist party which has fought for Palestine and will continue to do so. I’ve raised money for aid into Palestine, and despite being in poverty I’ve given my own money.
Fuck off you dog. Don’t try to act like you know what I do and don’t do.
And I applaud that as someone that has also contributed what little of my time I can spare to various causes against colonialism including practically all my meager inheritance. But this obsession over the lack of this one emoji is completely fucking absurd and to accuse me of being some fragile white redditor or whatever Z poster is crusading about is extremely offensive and entirely unhelpful. You folks riding to his defense are also wasting energy. He’s banned he’s been banned and if he is spotted evading that ban for the umpteenth time he will be banned again. This is not worth dying on this hill.
And so the fuck are you? We can all do our organizing and spend our 20 minutes arguing on hexbear. Unless you’re now staking a new exception where everyone is wasting their time on here except you?
You and them are both wasting your own energy and mine. Also lmao at saying Russia is more leftist than China. Are you all just Z poster alts? I know he has a bunch and frequently sockpuppets his own defense. Whatever I have to work in the morning. Yall seriously need to touch grass.
It is my opinion that someone who has a history of toxicity should probably not be the one policing the hostility of other users.
nakoichi makes death threats constantly FYI, and has had comments removed for it (meaning mods acknowledge their friend does this) but never is banned or removed from moderating comms
Look up their name in the modlog, they list the removals under things like “chill” to avoid it being obvious
Demod Nakoichi.
Not really, that’s the only thing that’s missing from our representations of israel, and the thing that Zposter keeps requesting - the specific image of the star of david burning. No other representation will do, only a star of david on fire.
It’s not like this is new, they’ve been doing it for years, and it always comes down to them specifically wanting a burning star of david rather than any other representation of Israel.
No, the thing that’s missing is a representation of Israel the country. Lehi or any other individual Zionist organisation is not the problem with Israel, the problem is the Zionist project which itself is symbolised with a flag on which there is a star of David.
The “Burning flag” emotes don’t really add anything to my experience of this site, but it is absolutely caving to the zionist framing of Israel as having ownership of Jewishness to say that you can’t denigrate their flag specifically because that’s antisemitic.
I want mods to apologize, undo all the bans they have done, add the emoji and admit they were being zionists
Im begging you yo put this energy into something that matters