• Seasonal_Peace [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    The Guardian knows exactly what they are doing when they choose a direct line for the lawyers as the title. Death to western media, everyone working for it should face jail.

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    BadEmpanada made a video arguing that the term “genocide” should be done away with because of how much it muddies the waters (as an example he compared the Srebrenica Massacre, declared a genocide in court, versus comparable massacres elsewhere in Bosnia that weren’t). It also overlaps with a bunch of other legal terms like crimes against humanity, so it ends up diminishing atrocities that come close but for one reason or another aren’t considered one.

    • ClimateStalin [they/them, he/him]@hexbear.net
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      Honestly I agree. “Genocide” requires intent, and just like with individual level crimes proving “intent” makes things way more difficult even when the perpetrator keeps shouting “Mass murder is my intent!”

      Intent shouldn’t matter. Whether you intended to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians or if they actually were incidental in your quest to “destroy Hamas” doesn’t fucking matter, you killed hundreds of thousands of civilians, that should be the crime in itself.

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        On a regular basis zionists officals look straight at the camera and say lets do the holocaust but to palestinians.

        They arent hiding shit, the only reason why isntreal isnt nuremberged yet is because of its usefulness to do internal fascism and imperialize the middle east.

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        yeah but in this case they literally do say that

        On 9 October 2023, Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant said,

        I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly

        On 11 June 2024, the official Israeli X (formerly Twitter) account tweeted that “Gazan civilians participated in the horrific events of October 7”, later citing a statement in a clip that “there are no innocent civilians there”.

        Israeli energy minister Israel Katz said: “All the civilian population in Gaza is ordered to leave immediately. We will win. They will not receive a drop of water or a single battery until they leave the world.”

        On 29 April 2024, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich said, “There are no half measures … Rafah, Deir al-Balah, Nuseirat – total annihiliation. ‘Thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.’ There is no place for them under heaven.” In August, Smotrich said that “it might be justified and moral” to “starve 2 million people”

        President of Israel Isaac Herzog blamed the “entire nation” of Palestine for the 7 October attack. He added: “It is not true, this rhetoric about civilians being not aware, not involved. It is absolutely not true.”

        Deputy Speaker of the Knesset Nissim Vaturi wrote on social media that the government was allowing too much aid to enter Gaza and that the IDF should “burn Gaza now”. In a separate post he remarked that Israel’s goal was “erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the Earth.”[297] When asked to clarify his statements by Kol BaRama, Vaturi reiterated that Gaza and its inhabitants must be destroyed, saying: “I don’t think there are any innocent people there now… If there is an innocent person there, we will know about them. Whoever stays there should be eliminated, period.”

        Yitzhak Kroizer, who represents the extreme-right Otzma Yehudit party in the Knesset, said in a radio interview that the “Gaza Strip should be flattened, and for all of them there is but one sentence, and that is death.”

        Tally Gotliv of the Likud party called for the use of nuclear weapons against Gaza

        Ariel Kallner, MK for the Likud party, wrote on social media that there is “one goal: Nakba! A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of [1948]. Nakba in Gaza and Nakba to anyone who dares to join”

        In February 2024, May Golan, who serves as the Minister for Social Equality and Minister for Women’s Empowerment, made a speech in the Knesset in which she said:

        I am personally proud of the ruins of Gaza, and that every baby, even 80 years from now, will tell their grandchildren what the Jews did when they murdered their families,removedd them and kidnapped their citizens! Neither a dove nor an olive leaf, only a sword—to cut off Sinwar’s head!

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          Oh yeah I’m well aware, even with that requirement this is the clearest most documented case of “definitely genocide” that has ever been, Nazi Germany was not this explicit about their intent.

          But I do think that intent question should be done away with all together and having it just gives Israel another way to deflect and delay and question.

          Also I guess my solution isn’t getting rid of the word genocide, it’s just getting rid of the requirement of intent for calling something a genocide. It should just be based on something like percentage civilians vs fighters killed, attacks on civilians infrastructure (deliberate or not) and some other clearly defined metrics that you could know without ever speaking to one of the perpetrators.

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      genocide is a legally defined term set up after ww2, it is actually useful but like everything else its overusage is intentional to lessen any planned genocide by the west.

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          Ward churchill has an interesting conversation about this at the beginning of his book Kill the Indian Save the Man He notes how Lemkins definition was gutted and stripped down to the current UN definition. Mainly because western powers like the US, France, UK, etc. could wash their hands of their own atrocities without being charged with genocide. It also was watered down in a way that let academia decide that genocide had only occurred once, to Jewish people at the hands of the nazis. Which in itself ignores the other genocide victims like Romani people at the hands of the nazis. He says this has allowed the zionist entity to gain unique political advantages as the sole victims of genocide in history. Its a very interesting read.

          Another interesting point he notes is that despite most of the world ratifying rhe 1948 genocide convention, the US wouldnt do so until 1988. This is because congress couldnt pass it. There was extensive debate in congress whether Jim Crow or the indigenous genocide here on turtle island would open the door for the US to be charged. So, when they ratified it the US attached a reservation which stated the US constitution was the supreme law and superseded the Genocide convention. After the US attached this reservation, many western powers that had already ratified decades before submitted their own, similar reservations.