The dominance of libertarianism, and pro corporate licensing within the FOSS world is disgusting and annoying me. I don’t have any articles or anything that is hard proof. But I do have this github post and graph I guess
And the other thing I have? A hunch 
I’m glad the software is free, but come the fuck on. “Problematic” for fucking who?? Google? It better be!
Thank you dessalines for having a spine, and choosing a proper license.
And the site that they link? It’s not only highly pro corporate but also fucking lying!!!
It doesn’t prevent you from selling shit!!! Shut the fuck up!!! I’m not making my work a way for you to easily profit, give shit back or fuck off 
They can keep making the shit that they do, but I ain’t committing a single line of code to that fucker.
Disadvantage of agpl
Removes the choice for teams to make software proprietary in the future.
Same energy as cis people asking trans people if they’re worried if their transition will be permanent.
unlimited redacted on permissive licenses
I don’t work in tech so I don’t really see technolibertarians anymore. I just had a contract coworker come in. It is fun to talk about nerd stuff but I forgot just how pervasively annoying that shit is. The reflexive anti Chinese stuff here just reminds me. Like, the fuck even is the concern
It’s part of why I hate selfhosting communities even though I’ve been spending a lot of time on the hobby this year. Libertarian techbro babble and AI worship clogs every conversation. Every genuinely good tool seems to have some AI bullshit stuffed into it - sure it’s usually optional but frankly I hate that it’s there in the first place.
It’s honestly kind of weird because at its core FOSS is very much a leftist ideology yet these spaces are filled with far right techbros.
There needs to be a massive cultural shift in the tech space and fast.
Yeah, I remember having multiple conversations with other STEM bros about this, even back in the first Trump term. My argument was always that I should care much more about American software spying on me because they directly give that data to the US government, and the US government is the one that can arrest me, send goons to my house, can shut my bank account, etc. What is the Chinese government going to do to me with the info? And they just got really mad but couldn’t refute me.
I am going full power on mine. We talk about how there were no wmd, how the government lies. Then I slowly hit him with “so, anything the government says is probably a lie right” then I hit them about the anti Chinese propaganda. Just watching YouTube videos of the DPRK being chill.
Chuds believe that Chinese police operate on foreign territory. It’s a lie, all the consulates do is provide avenues to get legal services for anything immigrants need done back in China.
If they belive the Chinese police have the organizational force to infiltrate US territory extrajudicially operate then the only rational choice is to defect
I can’t find it but I remember a write-up on how the free software movement (FSF, GNU, GPL, …) was coopted and watered down, namely by O’Reilly media, into the watered-down and corporate friendly “open source” that dominates today
not covered in the article, for all the rightful shit flung at the FSF and Stallman, the deep rooted misogyny+sex pest behavior from the OSI’s founders Bruce Perens and Eric Raymond respectively is arguably worse
esr is a fuckin tool
This is it, thank you!
Oh yeah I remember something like that too, I know that it exists but also can’t for the life of me find it.
damn. when i read the title i thought it was gonna be about the FSF’s own weird libertarianism
I’m working to make a contribution of a project to FOSS. My understanding, based on nothing but a hunch, is that people can just have it. Full stop. My prayer is that I stop at least a single for profit SaaS company from being profitable with an easy, free alternative.
Can you explain this drama to me, please? It’s proximally relevant
Hate to break it to you but:
I used to work in software and several times we’d use something, I’d check the license and read something about how companies are required to pay for it, I’d ask a senior coworker “do we have a commercial license?” and they’d read the license and say we didn’t need it because of (legal technical mumbo jumbo I didn’t understand) and I, junior dev, overworked and precariously positioned, would just take their word for it. In retrospect I think what actually happens is these for profit corps spit in the face of licenses like that and will just try to get away with as much as they can because the odds of getting caught are low and who has the resources to sue them and make them pay?
The odds are low, but never 0. I’d rather not get the cuck license and not even try.
Oh for sure.
Copy left turns copyright into a tool of collective ownership among the working class, tech oligarchs hate this, so they invented permissive licenses that essentially force workers into giving free labor to companies with no mechanism for giving back.
GitHub, owned by MS, offers the permissive MIT/Expat license as the default, so users are pushed into not fighting for their rights or having a class consciousness in the first place.
It’s not really drama more than its techbros bootlicking capitalists and giving their labor away rather than ensuring it remains collectively owned and operated.
Just did a little research on it. You have saved me. I think I’m going to want an AGPL license
Oh and another thing, the gnu project maintains a HUUUUGE list of licenses: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html
I can’t believe me making a post about this nonsense, in an indirect way, actually helped you. That’s awesome
STEMlords are already primed to reject anything that sounds “philosophical”, such as differences between license types.
You’re being ideological! You will never make anything with that attitude!
As if what you’re making and who it’s for are somehow secondary, trifling matters. Yeah I’ve been down this dialog tree a few times how could you tell?
i haven’t gotten much sleep and it’s really early so apologies if i misunderstood the question. very broadly, there’s two kinds of open source licenses: copyleft and permissive. generally, permissive licenses like MIT allow any usage of the code, including by copyrighting your own contributions or including it in copyrighted works. copyleft licenses require additions to the code to be open sourced too. this was a problem for apple when GNU code updated from GPLv2 to v3, which iirc added the restriction that any package that included licensed programs also had to be copyleft. this was a problem because apple had packaged a lot of GPL programs with macOS, so now they haven’t been updated since 2007
More info: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivoization
I’m having trouble following the consequence cascade you’re describing. The GPL license updated which tried to add in some copylefting (i.e. Apple was compelled to open source stuff to keep using it). Therefore, they simply stopped updating them so they wouldn’t need the new license.
Is that it?
yeah that’s the situation as i understand it. obviously im not a lawyer and whatnot but the way i understand it apple would have been required to open source the entirety of macOS if they had included GPLv3 software. GPLv2 was also considered copyleft (in fact, the FSF, who is responsible for GPL, coined the term), but GPLv3 added more stipulations in response to practices by corporations (most notably TiVO) that were not appreciated by the free software community
Yeah, there’s basically no actual downside for (A)GPL in open source apps. If libraries on the other hand want to maximize their reach, I see LGPL as a decent compromise.
i don’t think licenses are actually helpful and very hard to enforce for individuals or even small collectives but even then i would distrust anyone actively choosing any non-copyleft licence for their projects. maybe the people that try to ignore copyright are okay, but still is hard to trust them
If Google are scared enough by it to tip toe around then I’m going to promote it. Also there exist organizations that protect the enforcement of these licenses, like the Software Freedom Conservancy. Or you know, specialized lawyers like the Software Freedom Law Center.
I still believe that a “Fuck you!” in the form of the GPL license is good enough to stave off a lot of corps.
