“Imperialism in the 21st century” was a very eye opening read for me and I was surprised to see this from Smith in an interview, comrades please help me understand:
“Marxist-Leninist” refers to the ideology espoused by the bureaucratic rulers of the former Soviet Union and the People’s Republic of China and all those around the world who look to them for leadership, but in my opinion, there is no Marxism or Leninism in so-called “Marxism-Leninism”. We cannot get anywhere until we call things by their true names, so I insist on describing both the Moscow or Beijing varieties of these ideologies as Stalinist. This might upset some people or be misinterpreted as factional name-calling, but the alternative is to perpetuate an extremely harmful falsehood—one which is energetically promoted by bourgeois politicians and opinion-formers of all types, from the liberal left to the far right, all of whom are aware of how much damage they can do to the revolutionary workers’ movement by identifying socialism, communism and the liberatory ideas of Marx and Lenin with the disgusting brutality and corruption of the bureaucratic castes which once ruled the Soviet Union and which continue to rule over China (indeed, the capitalist ruling class presently in power in Russia is almost entirely composed of former “Marxist-Leninists”).
“Marxism-Leninism” served the rulers of the USSR and PRC not as a guide to action, but as a cloak of deception, a means of legitimizing their rule. They claimed allegiance to the same theories and philosophies as do I, but their doctrine of “peaceful coexistence” with imperialism stands in the clearest possible contradiction with everything that Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin stood for.
https://mronline.org/2019/03/19/john-smith-on-imperialism-part-1/
[Edit] Following from this I looked to my other eye-opening author, Zak Cope (Divided World, Divided Class) and found this where he disavows his entire work and all anticapitalism, just read the abstract and note 1:
https://link.springer.com/rwe/10.1007/978-3-031-25399-7_82-2
What the fuck is happening?
He’s argument is actually quite different though, he expands on this in part 2 of the interview:
I don’t think his criticisms of the USSR or prominent cold war narratives actually helps him answer his question very well. Does he think that the Russian Federation would not or has not attempted to coexist with western powers? Is Russia no longer white now that it isn’t communist or something? Oh, and we are lacking leaders like Fidel etc.,… who took support from the USSR. Where such leaders just erasing their own struggle in favor of a East-West struggle by doing this? Were they racist against themselves by doing so?
A bit exhausting but needs some grounding to set this point up if he can make it better. The struggle against continuity with the Russian Empire is real, but I think there needs to be some way of addressing or challenging what the revolution achieved and what it means before we call Moscow the edge of white Europe. My understanding is that Eastern Europe has long functioned as a kind of periphery/semi-periphery to Western Europe. Interestingly enough, Cope writes about this haha. I don’t necessarily agree that Eastern Europe is white in the same way whiteness manifests in the west. I wish there was more clarity on this because its not like I don’t already have “this is a bit russiaphobic” already in the chamber, almost like I’m being baited so just make the point.
By who? And who recognizes this? I’m not saying there isn’t a good point in here, I just feel like we are erasing what the rest of the world has to say just to make this point that the USSR failed. Maybe others around the world agree to an extent that liberation efforts have been flattened. Does he talk about this more in his book? I haven’t read it all. It does have some third world orientation but I’m 99% sure it was all quantitative.
Seems potentially flattening of third world experiences. Again, who regards these struggles so cynically? The struggling masses?
I don’t disagree that the cold war is often used to oversimplify complex global relations or that the USSR was ultimately unsuccessful in the liberation project it espoused. Its just that if you are going to leverage the global south like this, I think it should be more apparent that Smith is officially grounded by the right voices. Otherwise, it comes across as sanctimonious, that we should be centering this group that agrees with him because they are poorer or less “powerful” than the USSR or something.
I read through. Don’t know what his sources are, but some of it sounds suspect. For example:
According to what I remember from the Blowback Podcast version of events on Korea (which is sourced, though I have not investigated its sources personally), there was a point in it where Korea got help from China and China got some help from the USSR indirectly with resources, albeit not easily. Unless I’m just remembering something really wrongly, the framing that the Stalin USSR was somehow interested in propping up imperialist occupation, and therefore, desiring of the outcome of the US’s brutality toward Korea, seems like a lot of narrative spinning out of very little.
In general, it seems like he is grasping at tenuous events of alleged decisions that were in agreement with an imperialist outcome rather than opposed, and then is placing on top of that a whole narrative of complicity. The USSR took a lot of damage defeating the Nazis and was not positioned favorably in post WWII in the way that the US was.
I’m sure the USSR made some poor decisions in foreign policy, as has China, but I’m extremely skeptical of the way in which he is going about drawing lines between vague mentions of events and complicity with imperialism and then a jump to betrayal of the cause. A strategic mistake is not a betrayal, it’s a strategic mistake. A betrayal needs more system-wide evidence of failure to pursue the cause.
Lastly, the fact that he ends by mentioning as better examples to follow several revolutionary leaders who died early rather than being marred by decades of difficult policy decisions only cements for me the suspicion that he is going down the road I mentioned, about purity and Christian culture in the west. I think it is a valid and reasonable pursuit to question and investigate the extent to which AES states have failed and try to learn from their mistakes, but the way he is going about this seems like a failure of thoroughness and a matter of starting with a narrative already made and then looking for information that will confirm the narrative.
Great points! Aside from what you and comrades loathsome dongeater and thedarkernations said, I’ve also been thinking about Smiths assertion that the fall of the USSR, DDR, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, and the entire Eastern Bloc was not a victory for imperialists but actually weakened imperialism, and the only reason we see the very opposite in reality around us is that we lack “revolutionary leaders of the caliber of Lenin, Che, Fidel, Grenada’s Maurice Bishop, Thomas Sankara of Burkina Faso and others, and political movements inspired by them, able to take advantage of the imperialists’ growing weakness and disarray.”
This hinges on the great man theory. There are in fact plenty of talented and charismatic organisers throughout the global South and beyond and when the material conditions are right there will be no shortage of people perfectly capable of taking the lead. There’s never a shortage of leaders, what’s lacking is conditions under which the overthrow of imperialism is possible. I think it’s blatantly clear the conditions for fighting imperialism are more difficult now than they were when the Eastern Bloc was strong, as it’s clear that the recent advances in Burkina Faso and elsewhere wouldn’t be possible without China and it’s allies weakening western imperialist powers.
Same to you. That’s a good catch, it does sound a lot like great man theory, now you mention it. And yeah, with Burkina Faso, it makes me think of a video I watched at one point about assassination attempts made on Ibrahim Traoré and how supposedly there was one that was spotted with the help of Russian intelligence. There was also that confirmation about Russia getting some military assistance from the DPRK in Russia’s territory, IIRC on the details. Or just Russia’s allying with China in general. So what I’m getting at it is considering there are indications of today’s Russia collaborating with anti-imperialist AES states, it wouldn’t make much sense if we were to believe the Russia under the USSR did not do so, but Putin’s Russia does. It makes more sense to believe that Russia’s prior history as an AES state and a force for anti-imperialism would make it more trustworthy to AES states now, even though it is currently not one itself. Whereas if it had been overall complicit in imperialism as this person insinuates, even when being one of the strongest socialist powers in history, it would be odd for AES states to trust it at all.