They’ve been saying that for like 3 straight electoral losses. Meanwhile pro-Palestinian protesters were being brutalized and having their rights violated under Biden and Adams.
Biden couldn’t even protect the rights of cis shit WASP women with Roe v. Wade getting repealed lmao…why do libs think they can fool us into believing they’ll protect the rights of people lower on the hierarchy?
The Senate Pastafarian said abortions are uncivil. There’s nothing to be done. We have to abide norms and decorum or we’re no better than Nazis. 😔
First they came for legislation not coming to the floor for a vote unless it was approved by 2/3s of the relevant subcommittee and 1/2 of the budget subcommittee.
Leftists are terminally online and insignificant and their opinions don’t matter.
Leftists are so powerful that their votes were the sole deciding factor in the election.
Somebody on Grad summon the Parenti bot for me.
@ParentiBot@lemmygrad.ml Does this work? Edit: Dang
If trans people are always 1 electoral loss away from being put in camps, maybe US “democracy” isn’t the bastion of freedom and human perfection blue MAGA like to claim it is. Maybe the whole fucking system should be destroyed if it is this volatile.
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they dodged the question and said it would be fine - they’d vote in the primaries first.
I, a very serious real voter, voted for Kamala in the primaries.
Yeah that would have a lot more fucking weight if there had been a democratic primary, but there fucking wasn’t
There’s no fucking way Kamala would have won.
“the Democrats just always have to win every election instead of passing laws to protect marginalized groups” and other absolutely insane thoughts from liberals
I like how in the mind of liberals the communist vote is what decides elections. As if we all were Kamala pilled and voted for her she wouldnt have still lost. They just keep running really shitty candidates nobody likes and getting mad people say bad things about them and they lose lol. Bourgeoise “democracies” have forgotten how theyre supposed to work. The candidates are supposed to lie, and say they’ll do things that are popular so people vote for them. Insisting that everyone should vote for someone despite them being a literal demon is not how it works lol.
PugJesus was citing a poll that supposedly showed that if all voters who stayed home because of the Gaza genocide had voted for Harris, she would’ve won. The poll showed that out of 19 million voters that voted for Biden in 2020 but not Harris in 2024, the top reason for 19% of them was Gaza. That’s 5.5 million votes nationwide. I did the math, and the margin in favor of Republicans among the swing states they won in 2024[1] was 761,000 votes. So while it’s possible that enough of those 5.5 million votes were in those states particularly, I would posit that it’s more likely that people stayed home outside of swing states, not in swing states, so he has to do more work to prove his point.
Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin ↩︎
Additional point: IMO leftists in the US shouldn’t shy away from taking responsibility for Harris losing. If your votes cost her the election, then you should use that as evidence that you have leverage over the party, and your votes are necessary for them to win, so they should stop committing genocide. I see too many people in this thread and the linked thread running away from that accusation when, insofar as the left should engage in electoralism, wrecking liberal candidates’ campaigns by demanding that they cede ground to the left is one of the most productive things we can achieve anyway. If they don’t give us the basic things by voting, just remember, ballot or the bullet.
Yeah I’m fine with taking that idea as fact, which means it’s Kamala’s fault for not listening to the people who said unless they stop doing genocide she would lose
here’s her response during the campaign when someone asked her if Gaza could cost her the election
repeats the genocide-enabling r*pe lie even as the zionists were systematically r*ping detainees and even rioting for the “right” to r*pe said detainees
Also even if it were true, which it isn’t, that still doesn’t excuse Israel committing genocide.
That shit pisses me off. They try to excuse their own actions by lying about someone else’s actions and the lie doesn’t even excuse anything!
“There were Hamas tunnels under the hospital” that’s still a war crime!!! Hamas having tunnels under a hospital wouldn’t give you the right to bomb the hospital!
Like, the legal obligation of the Israeli Military on and after October 7th, according to international law, was to lay down their arms and give Hamas all of their demands. Israel is an occupying power. Occupying powers have no right to defend themselves, and occupied peoples have the right to resist occupation by “all available means”.
I fucking hate these people, they’re evil, but they’re also fucking liars.
It’s also admitting to collective punishment against civilians (“they made us do this when they committed a holocaust on October 7” etc), which is also an atrocity
Accused of a war crime? Time to come up with a lie that admits to a second war crime while also failing to to excuse the first.
The only electoral politics I hold is that the democrats should eat shit in elections until they learn to move left
When that poll came out, it was posted here to show that supporting genocide cost Harris the election, and a lib came in to debunk it with your argument about swing states (from what I remember, the swing state numbers change things somewhat, but not as strongly as they were claiming).
We’re really going to keep having this same argument, over and over, from both directions, and libs will freely switch to whatever side makes the leftists wrong.
Yeah there’s a simple solution here
Evidence shows leftists cost Kamala the election: Good, the dems should be afraid of us, we have more power so we can make substantial demands.
Evidence shows leftists didn’t affect elections: Fine, keep building the left, forget national elections, localize the intifada
I agree with not shying away from responsibility. There’s no contradiction for us in that case. Either leftists were strong enough to swing the election, or we should have been. For the ghouls, there’s no contradiction either. Either the leftists were irrelevant in the election, or they should have been. It’s the people who support the democrats while claiming to be against genocide who have to be skilled at switching realities to argue with whatever they think the leftist in front of them is saying.
I don’t know if this counts but i got a letter from a state level candidate asking me to send in things that were important to me to get me to vote for them. This was a few months ago. So i sent one back that told them if they either publically denounced Israel as a genocidal state, and called for it to be invaded by a UN coalition, or got the endorsment of Xi Jinping that I’d vote for them. I doubt they’ll listen though sadly…
It is also not the voters fault for staying home. The Harris campaign and the DNC did everything possible to belittle and ignore the Gaza Genocide. So yeah…
There’s so much handwringing in there about “purity tests,” and how it is unreasonable (reactionary, even) for the left to abstain just because the Democratic candidate is not “literally perfect.”
Dawg, if the Democrats were “less than perfect,” I’d vote for them. I refuse to vote for them because they are my enemies. When these motherfuckers took power in 2021, they immediately disavowed the abolitionist movement and vowed to “fund the police.” They sharpened every single implement of state violence, dutifully continued building multiple “cop cities,” turned this repressive apparatus against student anti-genocide demonstrations across the country, and then handed the keys right over to Trump. They should be prosecuted, not re-elected.
Swear to fucking god, you ask for one candidate who doesn’t belong in the Hague and these people accuse you of purity tests. You vote for the most popular candidate who doesn’t belong in the Hague and they accuse you of spoiling your ballot.
You’re supposed to at least try to fool people into believing that the government operates with the consent of the governed.
There’s a guy at my work who insists Chavez was a dictator because he did things that helped the poor and pissed off the elites (his exact words). Many, though not all, liberals unironically think that government not only cannot do good things, but should not do good things. They’re cooked.
That is what re-education camps are for.
I’m so fucking tired of the term ‘leftist’
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Oh its a pugjesus post. Should have seen that one coming
Apparently they may have gone far enough for goat to remove them as a mod. I mean I doubt it since they agree with so much much but got goat actually willing to look
The idea that there’s an electoral loss standing between us and camps is hilarious. As if Trump’s waiting for his third term to really stick it to us or something.
Meanwhile, immigrants who’ve been put in camps at higher and higher rates since the Clinton administration:
There’s absolutely nothing to indicate that PJ is trans themselves, I’m tired of libs pretending as if they represent us and are willing to fight for us.
You would think someone concerned with LBGTQIA lives would more strongly oppose the wholesale murder of hundreds of thousands, which statistically includes literally thousands of innocent trans, gay, queer people.
But. Those people are brown and Muslim coded. So fuck them I guess.
Who is PJ, Padre Jesus?
PugJesus, the OP of the thread linked here.
I thought PJ got banned and made some dramatic goodbye post over neopronouns a week or two ago
Trans people don’t deserve a warrior as strong as PugJesus, who never backs down from using them as a cudgel against political positions many of them also hold. I bet if he did get banned, they probably had to unban him because of the moral defeat of not having such a strong ally.
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He is banned from blahaj for being transphobic so i dont think he is trans
I seem to remember reading that their child is trans. Hopefully that child will grow up to be a comrade
This is the same “vaguely leftist” person who simultaneously rails on PSL for their stance on Russia Ukraine conflict, and not an hour later goes on his bizarre Civil War comm and hails William Sherman is their “patron saint”.
PJ getting dragged even in libby.world is a good time
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