@Thief@lemmy.myserv.one with all due respect, if you want good people to use a space it is in fact completely necessary to police speech that those good people find detestable, or else anyone can come into that space, start saying completely abhorrent shit that the good people detest, and every good person will leave. What you will be left with is the people who like the abhorrent shit.
From an entirely utilitarian perspective. Even if eventually having a highly mixed community is a long-term goal, it is still necessary to specifically target various groups of core early-adopters and appeal to them before growing into other groups after creating enough value for them to stick around even with some things they dislike.
I’ve been a community manager and a marketing manager for a few companies you would know.
I’m not saying you did any evil, just that your expertise on this topic is based on corporate ideals which likely aren’t compatible with actually good ideals.
My statement was not meant to be any commentary about you as a person.
Are you implying that the “corporate ideals” of allowing people to spew any slurs they want until everyone who dislikes that leaves are better than the ideals of… Not doing that? In the context of that being the only thing I’ve said in this conversation it really does look like that’s what you’re saying and needs some clarification.
Basically all I’m saying is that your last sentence does not help to prove your credibility. You said it in a way as if it was meant to make people believe in what you’re saying, as if it gave weight to the point that you made.
I’m just letting you know that at least for me, it had the opposite effect. I’m not arguing with the rest of your comment.
Yeah ok but then you’re presumably a fairly left wing person who has an immediate negative reaction to anyone citing any job they do for private companies. That’s fine. You weren’t the target audience of it, the free speech absolutist can be assumed to be a right wing corporate bootlicker who does value hierarchy and subject authorities.
Generally I would’ve expected most lefties to pick on marketing being the most evil of departments rather than just “corporations bad”. Almost everyone’s got a job at some sort of company unless they’re in government or charity.
Incidentally, I don’t think there is anyone who would qualify as an authority to you on this topic. The options are either people who’ve done this as a job for private companies or people who have done it as hobbiests, but saying
“I’ve moderated subreddits and forums with millions of members”
Would sound like the stupidest shit ever as an “authority” of the topic.
So really I think there is nobody that could say they have experience on this that would work or be appealing to you.
Doesn’t matter where they did their work, you can do that sort of work in a corporate environment and help make a workplace better and less toxic. You are grasping at straws here.
@Thief@lemmy.myserv.one with all due respect, if you want good people to use a space it is in fact completely necessary to police speech that those good people find detestable, or else anyone can come into that space, start saying completely abhorrent shit that the good people detest, and every good person will leave. What you will be left with is the people who like the abhorrent shit.
From an entirely utilitarian perspective. Even if eventually having a highly mixed community is a long-term goal, it is still necessary to specifically target various groups of core early-adopters and appeal to them before growing into other groups after creating enough value for them to stick around even with some things they dislike.
I’ve been a community manager and a marketing manager for a few companies you would know.
To add to your point their instance only has like 500 users. Nobody will miss them.
or the people the speech is targeted, how would a person from west asia feel about the instance if someone can just come and wish them death.
Exactly, and there is literally someone from that region in that thread thanking me for calling this shit out.
I am Iranian, and thank you. We need to keep lemmy free of this shit atleast.
This statement gives you negative credit in my opinion, i.e. one should actively mistrust what you’re saying on this topic.
I think I could’ve been doing a lot more evil than building videogame communities and lan events tbh
I’m not saying you did any evil, just that your expertise on this topic is based on corporate ideals which likely aren’t compatible with actually good ideals.
My statement was not meant to be any commentary about you as a person.
Are you implying that the “corporate ideals” of allowing people to spew any slurs they want until everyone who dislikes that leaves are better than the ideals of… Not doing that? In the context of that being the only thing I’ve said in this conversation it really does look like that’s what you’re saying and needs some clarification.
Basically all I’m saying is that your last sentence does not help to prove your credibility. You said it in a way as if it was meant to make people believe in what you’re saying, as if it gave weight to the point that you made.
I’m just letting you know that at least for me, it had the opposite effect. I’m not arguing with the rest of your comment.
Yeah ok but then you’re presumably a fairly left wing person who has an immediate negative reaction to anyone citing any job they do for private companies. That’s fine. You weren’t the target audience of it, the free speech absolutist can be assumed to be a right wing corporate bootlicker who does value hierarchy and subject authorities.
Generally I would’ve expected most lefties to pick on marketing being the most evil of departments rather than just “corporations bad”. Almost everyone’s got a job at some sort of company unless they’re in government or charity.
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Incidentally, I don’t think there is anyone who would qualify as an authority to you on this topic. The options are either people who’ve done this as a job for private companies or people who have done it as hobbiests, but saying
Would sound like the stupidest shit ever as an “authority” of the topic.
So really I think there is nobody that could say they have experience on this that would work or be appealing to you.
Doesn’t matter where they did their work, you can do that sort of work in a corporate environment and help make a workplace better and less toxic. You are grasping at straws here.
Look dude we all got to eat somehow, the fuck you do for a living eh?
You seem to have misunderstood me completely. I’m only doubting their expertise on this topic, not their career choice.
No I understood you perfectly and your critique is entirely unrelated to the topic at hand and you’re just being an asshole.
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