The law approved late Wednesday applies to those younger than 21 and calls for 15 years in prison for any violators, as well as a $50,000 penalty and the revocation of all licenses and permits of medical staff.
“Minors, having not yet reached the necessary emotional, cognitive, and physical maturity, are particularly vulnerable to making decisions that can have irreversible consequences,” the law reads. “Therefore, it is the State’s duty to ensure their comprehensive well-being.”
New TERF Island just dropped
Great… More fash BS we Puerto Ricans have to wipe up. 🤦🏻♂️😒
“Minors, having not yet reached the necessary emotional, cognitive, and physical maturity
Ah yes, “Minors” which are what 18, 19, 20, and 21 year olds are
These scum give away their game right away, they want to kill Trans people through denial of healthcare
Also someone should check to see if there’s a loophole for cis “minors” who require hormone therapy and gender-affirming surgery
It doesn’t really matter if they “give the game away”, most people want this. They don’t care about us and prefer this to a cis person making a choice they regret.
I’m a firm believer that “most people” don’t care about it either way, treatlerite normies don’t like trans people but most also don’t have this obsessive level of hatred displayed by the political class, it’s 100% a manufactured hate campaign by professional scapegoat artists looking for soft and vulnerable targets, a top-down path of least resistance, not a groundswell of grassroots anti-trans bigotry
Which makes liberal capitulation to these hatemongers even more infuriating, I mean for fuck’s sake Trump in 2016 ran as the supposed “pro trans” candidate, even tho that’s been utterly memory holed
This shit is only possible because liberals are holding what should be an easily locked door wide open for anti-trans murderers
Why would it be an easily locked door if most people don’t care about us? If most people don’t give a shit about our rights I don’t see how it would be easy to keep them. Especially when you do have a vocal minority that actively hates us and wishes us harm.
Also what, they gave the game away to people who don’t care? That doesn’t do anything if normies don’t care about us.
If normies don’t care, then they also don’t care when the anti-trans door is closed, as Trump proved in 2016, all it takes is the will to counter message on a national level, which dems and libs refuse to do
I literally know puerto Rican women who got breast implants for their 15th birthday (granted, this was in the early 2000s). I guess you can consent for that kind of gender affirming Healthcare, but God forbid delaying puberty.
Ah yes, “Minors” which are what 18, 19, 20, and 21 year olds are
Okay so I think trans healthcare should be available to minors, so moot on that point.
But I will point out I see a lot of people in leftist spaces (including this one) argue that the age of adulthood is too low and should be raised, sometimes as high as 25.
This is because people in this site are basically reactionary to libertarians (which I get it, see user name). Age of consent and other associated laws should exist and be enforced because of the potential for wild power dynamic imbalances and abuse.
However, there is absolutely no material basis for the idea that ‘maturity’ and ‘adulthood’ is specifically tied to any age past 13-14 when the physical maturation process kicks in. I have known incredibly ‘immature’ 40 year olds (who can’t be trusted with simple tasks) who are clearly in some form of arrested development and very ‘mature’ (in that they very seriously think and plan for the future based on the information available to them, to a almost comical degrees) 13 year olds. However, it is clear to me that much of that ‘maturity’ comes from their ability to parrot the arguments of their parents, teachers, and role-models, not their actual understanding of situations. Which is fine, they are kids, I don’t have that expectation. My point is that tying these nebulous cultural concepts to a specific age, or even ‘brain development’, which is itself a very poorly understood field, is ridiculous.
My second point is that because of this healthcare of any kind should not be barred by these concepts either, and certainly not by age. Erecting artificial barriers to professional care will only lead to people seeking amateur care which has the potential to create more danger for individuals seeking treatment.
That said, if you are part of a trans activist group, now would be good time to begin attempting to coordinate with groups in PR, supplying individuals with the latest scientific medical advice and material. What cannot be won in the courts and legislature must therefore be won on the streets.
Liberals will do shit like this but refuse to raise the minimum age required to get married
Old enough to assign someone else’s gender by becoming a parent
Not old enough to assign their own gender
So, I need to return to the island and lead a Cuban-style revolution
no more half measures walter
Fuck it ill come help you
Yep… also… Eres Boricua?!
¡Si!
I was born in Wisconsin, but my parents are both from the Island and I’ve visited nearly every year until Covid happened
Be a hell of a return trip now
Now with JGo as governor making a massive reguero down here…
I was born in NYC but now been living down here since 1999.
Now in Cabo Rojon though… So at least I got the beaches (While they are still public) to at least take a breather if I need it.
There’s a couple dozen bozos like us around.
lol the anti-trans circles are already pushing that the brain “isn’t done developing” til youre 26 so thats going to be the next milestone I’m sure, then they’ll just ban it entirely. Or maybe a blanket ban will come first who knows
Immediate response should be “then stop recruiting 18 year olds”
They even push for voting age to be 26+ because of that argument.
That argument never made sense to me.
The brain continually changes while you’re alive.
Is there really some process that stops at 26 for everyone? Sounds like newspaper-science.
if the brain ever “stopped developing” you wouldn’t gain any new memories or skills
its an ontological problem that can’t be resolved without a process ontology
It is lol, the idea that the brain “doesn’t stop developing until 25” is quackery.
iirc, it is based on a study that tracked brain development, the magic 26 number is erroneously labelled as when the brain “stops developing” instead of what it actually was, the age at which the study stopped
like if a study about height increase in children ended when the kids hit 14 and people cited that as evidence that people stop growing taller by 15 years old
It could be a misunderstanding, stemming from brain scanning studies which looked at subjects up to the age of 25. But that’s like saying sprinters can only run 100 metres at most after watching the 100m final at the Olympics. The limit is imposed by the context, not biology.
oh hey, i was right
By the time you’re 18 the brain is already like 90% of the way there in terms of “development” so the idea they’re not “adults” then is still stupid.
You mean the Same circles saying child marriage is real cool?
As I stated before in other online spaces.
Pedo-Con theory is real.
Im afraid to look up.
Cis people are a genuine hazard to trans people. No cis person should ever have the ability to make a decision on trans healthcare or general well being.
Killing transphobes is self-defense
Trans people just quietly kill themselves alone and sad, it makes them an easy target that carries no cost or concern. I don’t believe they will ever stop being a target until a deterrent is established.
You can drive, you can kill and die for your country, you can vote*, you can be tried as an adult, you can have kids and pay taxes, but you can’t press pause on puberty.
Also forcing “irreversible consequences” on someone in the name of preventing “irreversible consequences” is pure dystopian evil.
*voting rights for citizens of Puerto Rico are vastly repressed compared to the states that are part of the US.
Boo
19·8 days agoI’m sure that in PR the drinking age is also 21 and same with smoking, since these two things can also have “irreversible consequences”… Right?
“Minors, having not yet reached the necessary emotional, cognitive, and physical maturity, are particularly vulnerable to making decisions that can have irreversible consequences,” the law reads. “Therefore, it is the State’s duty to ensure their comprehensive well-being.”
I am a stupid cis so please correct me if I’m wrong:
Hormone blockers don’t have irreversible consequences? What irreversible consequences are they talking about? Do they think they’re doing bottom surgery on toddlers?
Yeah, so what’s going on here is that they’re laundering a reactionary class position through rhetoric. They’re chuds roleplaying as Vulcans.
Never believe that [transphobes] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The [transphobes] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
Actually, I’ve seen transphobia be called structurally anti-Semitic and I have to agree. The reactionary logic behind the wave of anti-trans hate is essentially the same as previous waves of anti-Semitic hate throughout history.
Minors are typically considered to be under 18. But sometimes they are also considered under 21. But now there is a popular psychology meme where you are actually a minor until your brain magically develops at 25. So “minor” is being extended to be as late as possible to delay transition as much as possible.
The age of puberty is on a secular decline, at first due to higher nutrition, but now possibly because of industrial pollutants. In 1991, female puberty in Danes began on average at around age 11. In 2006, this dropped to just before age 10. The ideology of cissexism puts endogenous development of the body on a higher metaphysical level than exogenous puberty. It is “naturalized” even though it’s obviously historically contingent. Cissexists take it for granted that the individual would not want their physical development altered exogenously. Thus, it is perfectly acceptable for a 10 year old to undergo puberty if it’s endogenous, but as soon as it’s exogenous, the individual no longer has the “emotional” or “cognitive” maturity until they are 16, or 18, or 21, or 25.
There is a conflation of puberty blockers and HRT. Puberty blockers were developed to prevent precocious puberty, but can obviously be used in other circumstances, such as to give a young individual time to determine which puberty they’d like. Because of societal cissexism, an unofficial compromise position was struck where trans children would be put in arrested sexual development until they are 16 or 18 to appease conservatives (I am not sure when or how this became the de facto line on healthcare for trans youth, but its prominence is reflected by you immediately assuming only blockers are being discussed here). Actually, HRT has, can, and should be given to people younger than that, but to do so legally almost always requires the consent of the state and the parents, with the well-being of the person actually affected completely marginalized.
“Irreversible consequences” is quite the rhetorical trick these reactionaries like to use. Typically, it’s used against transmasculine people as a means to draft them back into the reproductive role they were supposed to grow into according to patriarchal logics. I believe there’s overlap with the sexual politics of conservatives towards teens and the fact that the US successfully combating teen pregnancy is a significant cause for the drop in American fertility rates. There is also some white supremacy at play here of course. As for puberty blockers, the reason they were upheld as a compromise is exactly because they do not have significant irreversible consequences on bodily development. Except, long-term use does create issues such as osteoporosis. And there is also the matter of being forced to be pre-pubertal while all of your cis peers get to develop. But that is not a concern to reactionaries. If puberty blockers are said to lead to irreversible damage by them, it is because they want to brand them in the same way they have done to HRT in an effort to ban them and force trans people to undergo extremely damaging puberties.
Do they think they’re doing bottom surgery on toddlers?
They don’t think they’re doing that, but they do say it, yes. Actually, bottom surgery is done non-consensually on intersex babies all the time to reify sex! Bottom surgery for trans people does the opposite of reify sex, which is why their position is “hypocritical.” As in, it’s actually not hypocritical if you look into the logic of their beliefs rather than try to make sense of the words coming out of their mouths.
This is such a good comment explaining some of the positions of transphobes and giving a sorta historical overview of the reasons for medical decisions surrounding HRT and hormone blocking. Thanks so much, I fucking love you and hexbear for letting me learn like that
Thanks!
Thank you so much for this writeup <3
My pleasure!
What if PR merges with Cuba?
We have people on the ground doing everything possible to make this happen (it’s me, posting)
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Specifically targeted at La Fortaleza (governors mansion) and El Capitolio please.
Hey, I know about some people that did something to La Fortaleza and even the US Capitol, and they were a lot cooler than the Jan 6 hogs.
Ah… Ms. Lebrón… how we dearly miss you.
