And no, I’m not talking about pirating on the internet, I’m talking about getting your internet connection to the outside world without paying or having a subscription or license. Something like a mesh network with your neighbors with the exit node being one person’s high-speed fiber line, or even an exit node through a free public wifi network that you’ve hidden a little repeater device within range of… something like that could be interesting. I’ve been thinking lately of a world where decentralized networks become more common, and where people can freely use the internet without paying an ISP. What are your thoughts?

  • Lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    First 6 months of marriage (first one, late 2010), we found an open wifi connection in our apartment complex and used that to our hearts content. This was when some people still didn’t understand why securing your wifi was necessary.

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    So here is what I do when I’m staying at my rented house near my college. I took a fiber connection from the ISP. But a friend of mine lives nearby he uses his landlords WiFi from the same ISP. From him I got the WiFi pass. And I discovered that that WiFi router uses admin1 as it’s admin password. So I got the ppoe username and password from it. The next month I didn’t paid the ISP bill so they suspended my internet connection. And put that ppoe username and password on my router. The ISP was calling me for two months to pay the bill but I didn’t. And somehow they stopped calling and I still have the fiber connection. It’s been over a year now and in still using it.

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    When I was younger, renting in a shithole of a rental house, there was a neighbour with an open wifi. I used that for nearly 3 years when I finally decided to test the limits. One day I downloaded 15GB in under 24 hours (trust me, at the time that was a lot), the very next day it has a password on it.

    I don’t regret raising the red flag on that. I just wish they could know how much I appreciated the free internet when I didn’t have a lot of money.

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      I miss the days when people would just leave their wifi networks open. It was a godsend when moving into a new apartment and waiting on the cable company.

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    Once in WEP days, before smartphones. I was on vacation on this place without internet and I cracked someone’s wifi password to get internet. It was wild how easy was to crack Wi-Fi’s passwords.

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    Over 25 years ago, during the dial-up era, there were many computers compromised with certain worms that would open up your computer for remote connections. One of the possibilities when connected was to download the system saved passwords including those for the dial up software. I had many, many, such logins saved including corporate and education ones, with no time caps. During about a year I would only pay for the phone call, not for the internet service. Simpler times.

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    in dial-up times i tried to steal internet cafe’s account. my purpose was using cafe account at night after cafe closed. there was a program which one is showing password with ******. i put it in floppy disk then went to internet cafe. I put the floopy disk in place and heard different sound.i looked at and my disk fell into pc case. so there was not floppy disk drive on pc. after that day i sent my friend to bring back my floppy disk. cafe owner said “that hacker never come back here again”

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    In the U.S. during the 90’s, there were free ISP dial-up trial CD’s everywhere, especially in retail checkout lanes. You were free to take as many as you wanted which was great because each CD had a unique code for the trial period offered.

    After installing the providers software and creating a free email address, you’d signup for a new account and get anywhere from 30 minutes to “thousands of hours” of dial-up internet access per CD, for free (not counting paying for a landline phone service). If you ran out, delete the account and start with a new one under a new code.

    Nothing was required outside of generic info (name, address etc) which could be made up because there were no real verification checks.

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    So, this was more common when WEP encryption was used. You could just listen to the radio traffic of the given network and collect IVs which the encryption would leak. Once you had enough pieces you could reassemble the key and access the network. When WPA came out it was harder, but tools like pyrit and john the ripper helped, so long as you were able to capture the 4-way TCP handshake.

    To actually see the networks, you would build biquad parabolic antennas from old DirecTV dishes people left behind. They were very directional high gain antennas that you would just target at someone’s house. We’d also build cantennas from junk laying around. Those were interesting days.

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      lol I did that for a while when I was broke… for quite some time I rigged up my linksys router with wrt, set it up as a repeater for my neighbors wifi after cracking it.

      Of course the real irony was after cracking it, I realized I could have cracked it much easier with a phone book (after realizing my local ISP, just used the persons phone number as the WEP key)

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    About 20 years ago, I lived in a shared house in the city. I worked nights, so if I left a download running when I went to bed, it would affect the others in the house. I saw a post online where someone was giving away a cable modem, and not knowing much about how they worked, I had an idea that I wanted to try.

    The cable internet came into the house through a coax cable, rather than the phone line, and was split with a dumb splitter between the router and the TV. I used a spare splitter to run a cable to my room and plugged my modem in.

    I tried it first on my day off so that I could check with my housemates if it caused any problems. It connected and everything worked with no issues, except that it only connected at about dial up speeds. We were going out for the night so I left it connected with some downloads running to see if it would stay connected. When we got home, the downloads that should have taken a few days were done. A speed test showed that I was getting around 35Mbps, when the fastest speed we could pay for was 4Mbps.

    We later found out that apparently the street was sharing a connection (to the cabinet I think, it’s been a while), and because my modem wasn’t registered, it was just getting whatever was left over. At night, when everyone was in bed and their devices were off, it was going a lot faster. It didn’t last long, only a few months, but we took advantage of it while we could :)

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    A long time ago lived in an apartment and used an openwrt router and some can-tenas to connect to the leasing offices guest wifi. Worked okay for about a year. Made sure to limit my torrents to after business hours. Then i was able to buy my own service so retired the setup.

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    Nope, I prefer being able to run my own network router, open/close my own ports, block ads on the network, hopefully get as much bandwidth as I can, etc. so it’s usually better for me to subscribe to my own internet.

    … But since you bring it up, coincidentally I currently live on a street with shops/restaurants on the main floor under me. And all their wifi networks are visible from my apartment… so technically yeah, if I go through the trouble of collecting all their wifi passwords I could just hang out on their networks for free internet. Internet probably wouldn’t be great and not very private without a VPN but for free web browsing it should work.

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      Pirating wifi doesn’t preclude any of this. See also the GL.iNet devices, such as the GL-MT3000.

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      There are options out there to utilize multiple wifi networks at the same time, you probably wouldn’t have what you need to get a fancy ‘similar to enterprise level’ solution going, but there are a bunch out there with the goal of using multiple networks purely for speed.

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    Kind of I guess. Didn’t have home internet so I would park my car in a home depot parking lot with a laptop torrenting off the public wifi and then walk the rest of the way to work.

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      WiFi 6 has made this a lot more viable than it used to be. I’ve done a fair amount of parking lot leeching and new gear is worth it.

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    Back when I was housing insecure but still had a place of my own to live, I first set up a point-to-point wifi link to some kids across the street to defray my internet expenses - they paid part of my bill instead of having their own internet. That was more than a decade ago and the hardware & software weren’t so reliable. When the arrangement fell apart and I no longer could pay the bill, I cracked the network of some neighbors in my building and used the same antenna to provide internet for myself and 3 others in my house for about a year. The neighbors were a nice young couple so I did my best to be decent about it - set up an always-on permanent VPN and used flow control to limit our max throughput.

    It’s still possible to do this, and I’m still broke, so after a few years not needing to do any such thing, I cracked a network to have internet during a housesitting gig (house did not have internet).

    Edit: get WiFi 6 or better gear for this. Trust me, the improvement in performance in marginal situations is well worth it. WiFi 6 was a big improvement over WiFi 5, which was a big improvement over WiFi 4, when it comes to staying connected and getting data across a dodgy link. I haven’t done much straight up piracy lately but I have done plenty of leeching in parking lots, and WiFi 6 gear is absolutely worth the money.