Veganism seems to fall so obviously out of leftist beliefs, there are definitely other ways to get there but even if you are a speciest animal ag is so wantonly destructive, intensive, exploitative, colonial, and abusive to human workers not being against it is a big question mark.

I want to be charitable to people, I understand that deprogramming yourself can take a while, but when people have been aware that veganism is an option for months/years without taking any material steps… I dunno, are you just a treatlerite mad you don’t have enough treats?

Has anyone had any real progress making other leftists they meet vegan? I’ve only managed to get three people to permanently adopt the philosophy in my life. None of those were particularly leftist, just justice sympathetic.

edit: I actually want to hear from other vegans in the vegan comm. Shocking I know.

  • Wertheimer [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    5 days ago

    I think there is a similar situation we can compare to, which is people being COVID cautious. It is about people and not human animals, trying to be consistent in one’s empathy despite social forces opposing this, it has niche communities, and it has both an individual action aspect as well as attpts at mass action. I think COVID cautious leftists are more coherent leftists as well. They have avoided one of the more obvious forms of liberal normalization, every leftist should’ve noticed and rejected that normalization, but most leftists are not that disciplined or coherent. Similarly, I don’t think COVID cautiousness is necessary for revolution, but it would probably help.

    Definitely comparable. I’ve been thinking about this a lot with the latest season of Nathan Fielder’s The Rehearsal. (I haven’t finished yet, so I might be way off, but.) His character’s thesis is that some plane crashes happen ultimately because of social awkwardness - co-pilots being afraid to speak up or forcefully argue their position (e.g., “the runway is over there”) to a pilot making a deadly mistake. This is something we’ve all seen with COVID. Social pressures lead people to stay silent when someone shows up unmasked and coughing. We sacrifice the vulnerable and, perhaps, ourselves because we don’t want to be seen as self-righteous or judgmental.