This has nothing to do with support for Russia. People here have been opposed to this war from the start, and have consistently advocated for doing whatever was necessary to bring the fighting to an end. We pointed out that what’s happening right now was the only possible end to this conflict within the first month of the fighting, as did everyone who wasn’t infected with ideological brainworms. The idea that Ukraine was going to prevail in a prolonged conflict with one of the biggest military powers in the world was absurd, and all the talk about Russian weakness and incompetence was pure propaganda. All the “ghost of Kiev” shit was made up nonsense that needlessly prolonged a conflict that was always going to end like this.
This war was an absolute atrocity because it was transparently a proxy war for the United States and NATO. They were openly feeding Ukrainians into a meat grinder in order to weaken Russia for their own geopolitical ends. They knew it would end this way from the beginning, but they gassed up Ukraine and spent billions of dollars to keep the fighting going because Ukrainians were killing Russians and costing Russia money, both of which are perceived to be in the interest of NATO countries. Ukraine itself was ready to make peace years ago–a peace that would have been very generous to them and cost them very little territory–but again NATO officials gassed them up and pressured them to continue fighting. All the deaths since then are blood on the hands of the US, UK, and their allies.
What is the alternative at this point? I’m genuinely asking what you think it could possibly be. Ukraine is not going to win militarily: that is and always was a fantasy. They don’t have the manpower or resources to retake the territory they’ve lost, even with all the aid the US has sent them. They can fight to the last Ukrainian (as many “slava Ukraini” liberals online seem to want), but that’s not going to get them anywhere but dead. Should the US put boots on the ground to fight? That would at least be less cowardly than asking Ukrainians to die for the US’ realpolitik agenda, but it’s also likely to spark World War III. It’s not a good plan, to put it mildly. There is no alternative. This has to end, and this is the only way. The perception that anything other than a demand to keep throwing Ukrainian bodies at the war front is “support for Russia” is exactly why this has gone on as long as it has and cost as many lives as it has. That’s propaganda, and it’s killing real people.This is all true even setting aside the fact that the narrative that Russia attacked Ukraine unprovoked and out of the blue for no reason is also a piece of propaganda. I’m not saying the war was justified, but I’d urge you to look into the recent history of Russia-Ukraine-NATO relations. This didn’t come out of nowhere, and the idea that the dastardly Russians launched a totally unprovoked sneak attack on innocent Ukraine is pure US state propaganda (and orientalism about Russia). Russia is not the evil empire from a bad fantasy novel: they are a modern state that acts on their own geopolitical interests just like the US. NATO has been baiting this war for years because (again) having Russia fight someone who isn’t them is in their interest.
Again, none of this has anything to do with support for Russia. Russia is a capitalist state just like US, and we oppose it like we oppose the US. It’s about stopping a pointless war that is killing thousands of people for no reason, and which has only persisted as long as it has because the US and NATO have been propping up Ukraine to slightly weaken Russia for them. That’s ghoulish. Anybody who wasn’t wearing ideological blinders could see this end coming years ago, and the war should have stopped then. This end was inevitable unless the US is willing to risk World War III by openly attacking Russia. Let it end and stop feeding Ukrainians into the meat grinder for no reason.
This has nothing to do with support for Russia. People here have been opposed to this war from the start, and have consistently advocated for doing whatever was necessary to bring the fighting to an end. We pointed out that what’s happening right now was the only possible end to this conflict within the first month of the fighting, as did everyone who wasn’t infected with ideological brainworms. The idea that Ukraine was going to prevail in a prolonged conflict with one of the biggest military powers in the world was absurd, and all the talk about Russian weakness and incompetence was pure propaganda. All the “ghost of Kiev” shit was made up nonsense that needlessly prolonged a conflict that was always going to end like this.
This war was an absolute atrocity because it was transparently a proxy war for the United States and NATO. They were openly feeding Ukrainians into a meat grinder in order to weaken Russia for their own geopolitical ends. They knew it would end this way from the beginning, but they gassed up Ukraine and spent billions of dollars to keep the fighting going because Ukrainians were killing Russians and costing Russia money, both of which are perceived to be in the interest of NATO countries. Ukraine itself was ready to make peace years ago–a peace that would have been very generous to them and cost them very little territory–but again NATO officials gassed them up and pressured them to continue fighting. All the deaths since then are blood on the hands of the US, UK, and their allies. What is the alternative at this point? I’m genuinely asking what you think it could possibly be. Ukraine is not going to win militarily: that is and always was a fantasy. They don’t have the manpower or resources to retake the territory they’ve lost, even with all the aid the US has sent them. They can fight to the last Ukrainian (as many “slava Ukraini” liberals online seem to want), but that’s not going to get them anywhere but dead. Should the US put boots on the ground to fight? That would at least be less cowardly than asking Ukrainians to die for the US’ realpolitik agenda, but it’s also likely to spark World War III. It’s not a good plan, to put it mildly. There is no alternative. This has to end, and this is the only way. The perception that anything other than a demand to keep throwing Ukrainian bodies at the war front is “support for Russia” is exactly why this has gone on as long as it has and cost as many lives as it has. That’s propaganda, and it’s killing real people.This is all true even setting aside the fact that the narrative that Russia attacked Ukraine unprovoked and out of the blue for no reason is also a piece of propaganda. I’m not saying the war was justified, but I’d urge you to look into the recent history of Russia-Ukraine-NATO relations. This didn’t come out of nowhere, and the idea that the dastardly Russians launched a totally unprovoked sneak attack on innocent Ukraine is pure US state propaganda (and orientalism about Russia). Russia is not the evil empire from a bad fantasy novel: they are a modern state that acts on their own geopolitical interests just like the US. NATO has been baiting this war for years because (again) having Russia fight someone who isn’t them is in their interest.
Again, none of this has anything to do with support for Russia. Russia is a capitalist state just like US, and we oppose it like we oppose the US. It’s about stopping a pointless war that is killing thousands of people for no reason, and which has only persisted as long as it has because the US and NATO have been propping up Ukraine to slightly weaken Russia for them. That’s ghoulish. Anybody who wasn’t wearing ideological blinders could see this end coming years ago, and the war should have stopped then. This end was inevitable unless the US is willing to risk World War III by openly attacking Russia. Let it end and stop feeding Ukrainians into the meat grinder for no reason.