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how safe is it to go on a cruise ship versus an airplane? Because it definitely ain’t that safe to go on an airplane

    • FanofOatmeal [none/use name]@hexbear.netOP
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      cruises are definitely less safe for life on earth

      Did you do the math? I feel like they’re not, assuming the cruise is for necessary travel rather than just leisure

      Pretty much everything we use gets shipped, so ships are definitely more efficient than planes, so they’d probably be better for pollution/climate change

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        cruises are the worst way in the world to travel from one place to another, they’re not passenger liners lmao those are gone 4evr

        people used to be able to book passage on freighters but i don’t know if it’s still a thing

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          people used to be able to book passage on freighters

          still a thing though I think it costs more than it used to. Much like long distance train travel in the US, it takes so long that you end up paying more than the flight would have been (but it comes with lodging, meals and a unique experience)

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            Nope. The last few companies that allowed this stopped taking passengers during the first couple of weeks of COVID. Nobody seems to have any plans to start doing it again.

            Back when it was “cheap,” they were roughly the nightly price of a hotel room, and you’d spend about 2 weeks aboard for a trans-oceanic trip.

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          Kim Stanley Robinson’s Ministry for the Future features solar electric/sail hybrid passenger liners emerging after Crash Day (based ecoterrorists shooting down dozens of jets simultaneously)

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        Absolutely false. Cruise ships are the least energy efficient form of travel currently in major use. 250g CO2 per passenger per kilometer is horrific.

        Even super-short-haul flights like Saarbrücken-Luxembourg (80 km), Milwaukee-Chicago (108 km), Colorado Springs-Denver (117 km), Munster-Bremen (147 km) are still more efficient.

        If your flight is further than 500 km, you will produce roughly half the effective greenhouse gas emissions of the most efficient cruise ship trip, including the high altitude emission effects.

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          Was once told (On FaceFuck) it was ok cause the ship was dumping all the pollution miles from anywhere. This is obviously bollocks.

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            No, no, no. it’s been towed beyond the environment, it’s not in the environment.

            There is nothing out there… all there is …. is sea …and birds ….and fish …And 20,000 tons of crude oil.

            And a fire… And the part of the ship that the front fell off, but there’s nothing else out there. It’s a complete void.

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        with the amount of care and feeding that people demand as compared to cargo, and considering the gnarly fuels often used in ships, I wonder how much better it really is. of course it’s better pound for pound for shipping cargo, but when you add up all the amenities multiplied by the days/weeks spent aboard, I feel like it probably isn’t that great.

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    Considering that there are 10,000 airplanes in the sky at any given time, and crashes are so infrequent they make headline news for days, I’m going with airplane