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last week, i was queer tankie for interjecting on anti-chinese pink washing propaganda
fortunately, i’ve learned what to expect from the diet-reddit instance of the lemmyverse and it so bizarre that pink washing works for china, but not isreal when it comes to palestine.
As much as we might disagree about things and eventually have to kill each other when you inevitably betray the revolution and try to kill me for not being reactionary enough, I’d far prefer your world to theirs.
It wasn’t the Marxists betraying the revolution, though. There’s genuinely no need for anarchists and Marxists to kill each other, the idea that Marxists always “betray” anarchists comes from the examples of some anarchists choosing to take up arms against socialist states and being killed by the Marxists. There are numerous examples of the opposite happening, and many of anarchists joining the bolsheviks and other communist parties out of sheer practicality. The subsection of anarchists that were killed by Marxists weren’t killed “for not being reactionary enough,” but for quite literally being reactionary and choosing to attack socialist states.
Yeah you’re right I guess words don’t mean things.
Words do mean things, I don’t know what you’re getting at here.
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Missing the point.
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The point is you’ll backstab us?
Real.
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Pretty much yeah
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I want to create a world where each person give according to their ability and take according to their need.
I don’t like the way that line is phrased.
This can very easily lead to overexploitation of all those who are honest and sincere, while helping those who can easily lie. How so?:-
I don’t need an air cooled room or even electricity at my house
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I don’t need to have good food, as is proven by me surviving 3+ years overpaying for shitty food
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I don’t need access to the Fediverse, or to be able to discuss things with people across the world
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I am able to work 13+ hours a day
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I am able to work in a place full of toxic fumes, until I die early because of it
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I am able to shut up while the politicians masquerading as engineers, dump all the consequences of their wrongdoings onto me
And guess what, so can you, but those who are good at lying, can easily convince the system otherwise.
So while I would want to live a better life, eat better food and do some work for myself, I can’t, because I can, “not do it”.In the end, it’s all up to execution and there will always be those, who would like to twist the words to get their way.
Communism as an economic system isn’t some genie you have to trick into giving you stuff, or else you’ll be swindled by malicious compliance simply based on the phrase “according to need.” It’s a mode of production characterized by collectivized production and distribution according to a common plan, not a game of semantics.
But people game it nonetheless, one way or another.
As I said, it’s all about the execution. If enough people decide to stop being vigilant, the people that come to replace them will be those, actively sabotaging the system. And after that, vigilance won’t be enough.
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Communist centrally planned economies suck. That’s how you end up with panicking factory and farm managers exaggerating their production to the state to not end up in the gulag. A better alternative could be petitioning the government for money to start a worker-owned co-op that produce things at quantities that people would actually want. Do that and keep the government democratic composed of different parties with socialist mindsets at their heart and things should be better for all without the baggage of authoritarianism.
Central planning has been remarkably effective at achieving economic growth while directing production and distribution to satisfy the needs of the many. The USSR and PRC are examples of some of the fastest growing economies in the world, and are both responsible for the largest eradications of poverty in history.
Cooperatives are cool in the context of capitalism, or early stages of socialism (they are prominent in the PRC currently). However, as they grow, the profit motive forces enshittification and predatory practices, which is why producing for the purposes of needs over profits is superior.
As for multi-party systems, it’s generally better to practice unity and avoid factionalism and splitting. Western democracy is notoriously terrible at providing a cohesive system supported by the many, while socialist democracies like the PRC are supported by over 90% of the population.
