• janAkali@lemmy.sdf.org
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    If something is a propaganda it does not automatically mean it’s false.

    propaganda
    n 1: information that is spread for the purpose of promoting some cause

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    Does it happen a lot around here though? Most of the time I think we’re mostly just critical of Capitalists and Authoritarians. Usually Socialism, real Communism, and Anarchism are not really critisized except by some .world users.

    Edit: Except during a round of good ol’ Leftist Infighting.

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        Are you… being sarcastic?

        If so: Good one!
        If not: I would not like to enguage in the infighting atm, so I bid you a lovely day,

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          No, go break free of the western “media” and look it up, it was a YACACO (Yet Another CIA Anti-Commie Op)

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            sighs, Ok, fine, if you want to do this rn, I guess we can.

            Though I have no doubt it was probobly originally a word meant to slander real communism as the western world has done countless times (few ppl on lemmy would/should deny that the west has produced a shitton of bad anti-commie propoganda), I also fully agree that Authoritarianism does actually exist as much as Capitalism, Communism, and Anarchism exists based off of the actual agreed upon definition. If you take the definition of the system itself, there is no reason to conflate it with Communism. It IS a different system than real Communism, hence why that word was used as Anti-Communist Propaganda. It associates communism with a different (and very real) malignant system to make communism look bad. Sorry if this became too much of a rant, but I really just think that denying the existance of “Authoritarian” states is not a good idea. Let’s explain to people that Communism ≠ Authoritarianism instead of trying to claim that Authoritarianism doesn’t exist.

            Edit: I also fully beleive that ANY government/social system can devolve into Authoritarianism if implemented incorrectly or not vigilant enough about making sure not to centralize power in a problematic way.

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              It’s less that “authoritarian” is made up, and more that it’s useless as a descriptor. Hitler and Mussolini represented the capitalist class and oppressed workers and other social groups. Socialist states represent workers, and oppress capitalists and fascists through land reform and collectivization. Both wield authority, but some for good and some for bad.

              “Authoritarianism” is not a distinct mode of production, nor does it actually describe structures. It’s like saying “bad” or “mean,” it has a negative connotation but means almost anything.

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              Ok so, I have a question. You say “I also fully beleive that ANY government/social system can devolve into Authoritarianism if implemented incorrectly or not vigilant enough about making sure not to centralize power in a problematic way.”

              So where is the line for you? What is “problematic power” vs “non-problematic power”.

              Like what countries do you think are authoritarian now vs ones that arent?

              At what point does a government that enforces laws on the people who live in it through a monopoly on state violence stop being “Not-Authoritarian” and start being “Authoritarian” in your view? I am legit asking because I don’t get why you see some countries as “Authoritarian” and others as not.

              (Idk if that persons instance can see my question. If not oops I forget which of them blocks grad.)

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    Lately it’s been seeming the opposite to me, whenever a criticism is made against soviets / ex Soviets

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      Depends on the criticism. The Red Scare is well-documented, and the soviet archives are (somewhat) open, we can begin to really dig through history and verify or deny allegations. Soviet historians have been doing just that, actually.