Ok, now try a Midwestern state. Texas, Tennessee, Indiana, etc. try living in a state where every neighbor thinks killing immigrants should be a legal past time and have a blue line or similar fascist flag on their truck, garage, etc. The opinion that there is no hope for this country in going socialist doesn’t just shit out of our brains because we want to be doomers. It comes from a place of experience. Congrats on have good ones. Lots of us live in areas where our neighbors fornicate to the idea of murdering us.
Lots of us live in areas where our neighbors fornicate to the idea of murdering us.
Not to sound like your typical centrist dipshit, but I see merit in both sides. I think people are downvoting you unjustly. I’ve been along the coast like the other user said; but I’ve also lived in places like Florida where, yes, the “neighbors” fornicate to the idea of murdering anyone left of John Kerry.
I think simply a different approach is needed depending on where you are. Along the more “blue” states and even some red states along the coast, you absolutely can speak to people, participate in socialist organization or at the very least participate in community aid/mutual aid. When I was in Florida, where I was specifically, there was none of that. But there was a few like-minded leftists who hid their power level and were willing to train and organize in smaller cells, which is just as good.
It’s really not as hard as some users make it out to probe the ideologues of a given person. If you’re neurodivergent, then I totally understand the difficulty. 80 percent of the time, they will gladly tell you or loudly dogwhistle at you with certain phrases. In the other way, you just have to figure out how to ask them questions that aren’t necessarily political. “Aren’t you sick of having to work every single day for nothing?” is a bit of a extreme one but was a good one to filter out people who are responsive to the “message”. It’s just better to take the angle of “disgruntled blue-collar/white-collar person” rather than go right into preaching liberation till you find out who you’re talking to.
I think that despite where you live, you still have to try. But also, I don’t think some of the people who are simply telling you “nah it aint like that” actually have had multiple death-threats and rape-threats towards their closed loved ones or family. If they have, then they are unrealistic in what they expect of the average person to burden.
In terms of wider politics, I do genuinely think that any form of liberation in the core is impossible until the U.S loses more of the global economic grip that it has. Until the global extraction and resource extraction of the global south is hampered (as it is currently and we are seeing the U.S absolutely thrash the fuck out in it’s dying days) the U.S will lose more and more grip and it’s international ruling class will be weakened. It will be forced to turn towards domestic needs and by then, it will be either too late or they’ll take the approach of barbarism; thus sounds the knell. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be preparing, though, or that you can sit back and wait.
edit: Genuinely, I wish I could see who downvotes these and adds no criticism or thought of their own too it. It would be easier to add them to a block-list if it’s for some stupid fucking reason.
Who is this nebulous “average person” that you speak of? Is it the worker who harbours racist opinions of his non white co workers and dreams of dialling ICE to kick them out of the country? Is it the store owner who criminally underpays his non white employees or is it the CEO who supports immigration as long as it leads to cheaper labour
Who is this nebulous “average person” that you speak of?
I’m talking about, lined out explicitly in the rest of what I said, the person who would be engaging politically with others for the purpose of organizing or finding like-minded people. People like us. I don’t think the average person can withstand constant threats or the usual rhetoric thrown at someone who is participating in socialist politics. I know I’ve had a lot. I don’t expect the average comrade to be able to handle all of that without significant anxiety or without support.
But also, I don’t think some of the people who are simply telling you “nah it aint like that” actually have had multiple death-threats and rape-threats towards their closed loved ones or family. If they have, then they are unrealistic in what they expect of the average person to burden.
I’m not exactly sure where you got what you said from what I said above. The user I was replying to was talking about how a good chunk of this country have some brain-worms and those can be quite violent and/or dangerous towards leftists and even lib-shits and I was saying that anyone who doesn’t think they can be that violent/dangerous towards leftists are wrong and the ones who can handle it shouldn’t expect other leftists to handle it emotionally or mentally without support.
Are you talking about something else I said? That is where “average person” is quoted. Sorry if I am misunderstanding you.
Texas is literally a state where a massive amount of people are political marginalized and voiceless. Similar in Tennessee where the Appalachian regions and those historically black are excellent hotbeds for revolutionary activity. You just need to know where to look, those states rejected by “culturally democrat” leftists are often in the greatest need of their intervention.
POC are willing to listen but the whites man…… they will never get out of their petit bourgeois mindset till they suffer such an utter defeat that their whole world view comes crashing down
I think we have to recognize that classes like petit bourgeois and big bourgeois exist just like the proletariat in the US. They can have conflicting interests . Revolutionaries need to understand how to treat each class differently so they can unite to end imperialism and the state can evolve into socialism.
Private businesses can build the productive forces of society IF it is directed towards actually productive activity.
One of the four stars on the Chinese flag represents the petit bourgeois. Changing people’s minds and dragging them away from reactionary movements was part of the Chinese Communist Revolution.
Texas exists in the heartland of the Chicano nation. We’re not all bad. Many of us are progressives and are working hard to raise the level of struggle and consciousness in our activism.
Chicano nationalism is growing like wildfire among the intelligentsia in states like Texas in response to the sharpening of national oppression. These nationalists consider themselves progressives and will not bow down to state terror.
I grew up in the countryside with a very socially conservative background. Chicano nationalism binds me to the progressive movement and if it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone.
The work is hard and the stress high, but revolution is very much possible in the United States. I think it will happen within the next 25 years.
“Up and down the East Coast.”
Ok, now try a Midwestern state. Texas, Tennessee, Indiana, etc. try living in a state where every neighbor thinks killing immigrants should be a legal past time and have a blue line or similar fascist flag on their truck, garage, etc. The opinion that there is no hope for this country in going socialist doesn’t just shit out of our brains because we want to be doomers. It comes from a place of experience. Congrats on have good ones. Lots of us live in areas where our neighbors fornicate to the idea of murdering us.
Not to sound like your typical centrist dipshit, but I see merit in both sides. I think people are downvoting you unjustly. I’ve been along the coast like the other user said; but I’ve also lived in places like Florida where, yes, the “neighbors” fornicate to the idea of murdering anyone left of John Kerry.
I think simply a different approach is needed depending on where you are. Along the more “blue” states and even some red states along the coast, you absolutely can speak to people, participate in socialist organization or at the very least participate in community aid/mutual aid. When I was in Florida, where I was specifically, there was none of that. But there was a few like-minded leftists who hid their power level and were willing to train and organize in smaller cells, which is just as good.
It’s really not as hard as some users make it out to probe the ideologues of a given person. If you’re neurodivergent, then I totally understand the difficulty. 80 percent of the time, they will gladly tell you or loudly dogwhistle at you with certain phrases. In the other way, you just have to figure out how to ask them questions that aren’t necessarily political. “Aren’t you sick of having to work every single day for nothing?” is a bit of a extreme one but was a good one to filter out people who are responsive to the “message”. It’s just better to take the angle of “disgruntled blue-collar/white-collar person” rather than go right into preaching liberation till you find out who you’re talking to.
I think that despite where you live, you still have to try. But also, I don’t think some of the people who are simply telling you “nah it aint like that” actually have had multiple death-threats and rape-threats towards their closed loved ones or family. If they have, then they are unrealistic in what they expect of the average person to burden.
In terms of wider politics, I do genuinely think that any form of liberation in the core is impossible until the U.S loses more of the global economic grip that it has. Until the global extraction and resource extraction of the global south is hampered (as it is currently and we are seeing the U.S absolutely thrash the fuck out in it’s dying days) the U.S will lose more and more grip and it’s international ruling class will be weakened. It will be forced to turn towards domestic needs and by then, it will be either too late or they’ll take the approach of barbarism; thus sounds the knell. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be preparing, though, or that you can sit back and wait.
edit: Genuinely, I wish I could see who downvotes these and adds no criticism or thought of their own too it. It would be easier to add them to a block-list if it’s for some stupid fucking reason.
Who is this nebulous “average person” that you speak of? Is it the worker who harbours racist opinions of his non white co workers and dreams of dialling ICE to kick them out of the country? Is it the store owner who criminally underpays his non white employees or is it the CEO who supports immigration as long as it leads to cheaper labour
I’m talking about, lined out explicitly in the rest of what I said, the person who would be engaging politically with others for the purpose of organizing or finding like-minded people. People like us. I don’t think the average person can withstand constant threats or the usual rhetoric thrown at someone who is participating in socialist politics. I know I’ve had a lot. I don’t expect the average comrade to be able to handle all of that without significant anxiety or without support.
I’m not exactly sure where you got what you said from what I said above. The user I was replying to was talking about how a good chunk of this country have some brain-worms and those can be quite violent and/or dangerous towards leftists and even lib-shits and I was saying that anyone who doesn’t think they can be that violent/dangerous towards leftists are wrong and the ones who can handle it shouldn’t expect other leftists to handle it emotionally or mentally without support.
Are you talking about something else I said? That is where “average person” is quoted. Sorry if I am misunderstanding you.
Texas is literally a state where a massive amount of people are political marginalized and voiceless. Similar in Tennessee where the Appalachian regions and those historically black are excellent hotbeds for revolutionary activity. You just need to know where to look, those states rejected by “culturally democrat” leftists are often in the greatest need of their intervention.
POC are willing to listen but the whites man…… they will never get out of their petit bourgeois mindset till they suffer such an utter defeat that their whole world view comes crashing down
I think we have to recognize that classes like petit bourgeois and big bourgeois exist just like the proletariat in the US. They can have conflicting interests . Revolutionaries need to understand how to treat each class differently so they can unite to end imperialism and the state can evolve into socialism.
Private businesses can build the productive forces of society IF it is directed towards actually productive activity.
Again petit bourgeois mindset
One of the four stars on the Chinese flag represents the petit bourgeois. Changing people’s minds and dragging them away from reactionary movements was part of the Chinese Communist Revolution.
Texas exists in the heartland of the Chicano nation. We’re not all bad. Many of us are progressives and are working hard to raise the level of struggle and consciousness in our activism.
Chicano nationalism is growing like wildfire among the intelligentsia in states like Texas in response to the sharpening of national oppression. These nationalists consider themselves progressives and will not bow down to state terror.
I grew up in the countryside with a very socially conservative background. Chicano nationalism binds me to the progressive movement and if it can happen to me, it can happen to anyone.
The work is hard and the stress high, but revolution is very much possible in the United States. I think it will happen within the next 25 years.
When you say Chicano nationalism is rising are you referring to people of Central American descent?
Primarily people of Mexican and Central American descent.
Also stop celebrating the “good ones” for being decent human beings and not vermin