In the context of daydreaming, imagining is a very active process. In lucid dreaming, everything that is conjured simply happens independent of any active thought. I don’t have to think “if there were a bear there it would have brown fur and be big and round with teeth and it might make a grunt that sounds like this” I simply go “I want a bear to be there now” and it just exists and does bear stuff as if I had been having a dream about encountering a bear independently.
Are your normal dreams not any different from daydreaming? If you have a nightmare about a monster chasing you it’s not any different from imagining what a monster would be like while you’re awake? Because for me those are two entirely different experiences.
My point isn’t if the imagining is an active process or not in lucid dreaming, in my experience it isn’t. My point is that what the subconscious is conjuring often bears little real sense relation to the reality of the thing in question, often it is only the appearance of the thing, particularly for things that you have never actually encountered before in reality.
Like, you ‘encountering a bear’ will have a closer relationship to you seeing a bear on television or at the zoo, than what the actual smell, touch and feel of a bear really is. Your imagination will fill in the blanks for you.
In the context of daydreaming, imagining is a very active process. In lucid dreaming, everything that is conjured simply happens independent of any active thought. I don’t have to think “if there were a bear there it would have brown fur and be big and round with teeth and it might make a grunt that sounds like this” I simply go “I want a bear to be there now” and it just exists and does bear stuff as if I had been having a dream about encountering a bear independently.
Are your normal dreams not any different from daydreaming? If you have a nightmare about a monster chasing you it’s not any different from imagining what a monster would be like while you’re awake? Because for me those are two entirely different experiences.
My point isn’t if the imagining is an active process or not in lucid dreaming, in my experience it isn’t. My point is that what the subconscious is conjuring often bears little real sense relation to the reality of the thing in question, often it is only the appearance of the thing, particularly for things that you have never actually encountered before in reality.
Like, you ‘encountering a bear’ will have a closer relationship to you seeing a bear on television or at the zoo, than what the actual smell, touch and feel of a bear really is. Your imagination will fill in the blanks for you.
Okay but I really feel you have completely misunderstood the context of the conversation, because this has nothing to do with it.
I was talking about vividness, not accuracy to the real world.