I have yet to see a DSA candidate run and win that is an actual socialist with good foreign policy. I might just not be aware of them. Absolutely, the org itself has some good people in it.
So how do we prevent this from happening in the future? What kinds of political education needs to be developed? How do we reach these candidates and teach them the good takes before they share the bad ones publicly? I want solutions and less bickering.
This is not possible with the current mechanisms of the DSA, there’s no leverage or enforcement mechanism. There’s no consistent political education. I know that some members and groups within the DSA are working on possible solutions to this, which you should be telling me rather than the other way around because it’s your org.
As it currently stands, the DSA has flaws that cause this kind of thing to happen, and it will continue to happen until they’re fixed (enforcement mechanism and leverage over members who run for office, consistent political education for all members).
It’s time for people on here to think of solutions instead of endlessly complaining. I’m sick of all the negativity on here!
Here’s an example: “OK, I’ll start a AES101 thread on here for us to build a short guide. We’ll keep it simple for people who know nothing about these countries to learn something and then link to deeper reading. Link to thread: [link]. And I’ll tag _, _, and especially _ because they are an expert on Mao.”
The problem isn’t that good resources are not available for education. They are. The problem is the DSA is not a party, it has no party line, it has no education standards for members, and it has no enforcement mechanism to prevent members from deviating from the agreed policies of the org.
I’m not trying to get into a huge argument with you here, but I’m not required to solve every problem in the DSA personally in order to be able to give a mild critique of it as an organization. There are caucuses in the DSA that are working on these issues, as far as I know. They do good work, you should see if any operate in your area. I won’t be able to help you with specifics, as we’ve already established I’m not a member.
I don’t believe in electoral change, in any case, so in my view the DSA serves only as a method of harm reduction and education/radicalization. If you want an effective strategy for electoral socialism in the US, I’m afraid I can’t help you because I don’t believe it’s a viable strategy. I’m not interested in debating that with you, it’s been argued to death already on this platform.
And then I can go “Great! I’ll talk to the poli Ed folks on my end and see if we can make this part of the upcoming training. I’ll turn this into some slides and plan out a 15 min primer. If it goes well I can share it on the National DSA forums and get this spread to other chapters.”
I have yet to see a DSA candidate run and win that is an actual socialist with good foreign policy. I might just not be aware of them. Absolutely, the org itself has some good people in it.
So how do we prevent this from happening in the future? What kinds of political education needs to be developed? How do we reach these candidates and teach them the good takes before they share the bad ones publicly? I want solutions and less bickering.
This is not possible with the current mechanisms of the DSA, there’s no leverage or enforcement mechanism. There’s no consistent political education. I know that some members and groups within the DSA are working on possible solutions to this, which you should be telling me rather than the other way around because it’s your org.
As it currently stands, the DSA has flaws that cause this kind of thing to happen, and it will continue to happen until they’re fixed (enforcement mechanism and leverage over members who run for office, consistent political education for all members).
Not a productive answer.
It’s time for people on here to think of solutions instead of endlessly complaining. I’m sick of all the negativity on here!
Here’s an example: “OK, I’ll start a AES101 thread on here for us to build a short guide. We’ll keep it simple for people who know nothing about these countries to learn something and then link to deeper reading. Link to thread: [link]. And I’ll tag _, _, and especially _ because they are an expert on Mao.”
The problem isn’t that good resources are not available for education. They are. The problem is the DSA is not a party, it has no party line, it has no education standards for members, and it has no enforcement mechanism to prevent members from deviating from the agreed policies of the org.
I’m not trying to get into a huge argument with you here, but I’m not required to solve every problem in the DSA personally in order to be able to give a mild critique of it as an organization. There are caucuses in the DSA that are working on these issues, as far as I know. They do good work, you should see if any operate in your area. I won’t be able to help you with specifics, as we’ve already established I’m not a member.
I don’t believe in electoral change, in any case, so in my view the DSA serves only as a method of harm reduction and education/radicalization. If you want an effective strategy for electoral socialism in the US, I’m afraid I can’t help you because I don’t believe it’s a viable strategy. I’m not interested in debating that with you, it’s been argued to death already on this platform.
Fine. Disengage
And then I can go “Great! I’ll talk to the poli Ed folks on my end and see if we can make this part of the upcoming training. I’ll turn this into some slides and plan out a 15 min primer. If it goes well I can share it on the National DSA forums and get this spread to other chapters.”