My question aims to know what kind of procedures did the Chinese government (allegedly) take since 2014 in Xinjiang, and why to begin with. And what can we know about the region in the current time, like can a random tourist go and see with their own eyes the truth, and maybe film it ?
There are Youtube videos and a Wikipedia page “documenting” human rights infringements, while China and the Marxist forums deny anything harmful. Now that almost nobody is bringing it up, I want to know what was legitimately documented. Investigating the origins and later developments of the case on my own would be so hard.
The problem is not with the editing. The problem is that men and women dancing and singing together in happiness is literally just appealing to westerners, being of similar culture to Uyghurs I’d only be part of this practice as a humiliation ritual. If they knew what “harmony” looks like to Muslims, the atmosphere would have been at least similar to Taliban’s propaganda videos, where women have their own space where they have their own practices and taught by a fellow woman, or they appear in videos with their scarf.
Another thing that went passive but is really huge is when the guy at 00:32 was asked how often he prays and he answered with the playbook “China’s laws define schools as public places. And in public places religious activities are not allowed”. Anyone familiar with Muslims knows that they pray 5 times a day as obligation, like at the very least 200 million Muslims keep this defining practice, the guy being made to answer like this is straight up persecution for his religion,
and it shows the Chinese officials don’t even know what they’re dealing with, they’re like “yeah it’s another religion where they have a day of practices every week”.
The worst part is that the officials basically admitted that they took these people based on predictions ? Like even if we ignore the ethical dilemma, you want me to believe that statistics&probability predicts which person will commit crime with ? That’s like a book example of bad math imo.
Uyghurs traditionally do both coed and segregated dancing depending on the event, the locale, the families, etc. Trying to shoehorn them based on your claims about your aculture is a form of tokenization, projection, and even islamophobia, given how you characterize this as universally muslim, whereas islamic practice is actually rich with cultural variety over geography and time.
Perhaps you should recognize your own ignorance in this matter. Are you here asking questions about people in a large and populous region with which you are unfamiliar, or are you here to lecture others about it? Does your culture promote speaking authoritatively about things you do not understand, to the detriment of others?
Suddenly you are familiar with “the playbook”? How long have you known this “playbook”?
But really, you started by saying it is not editing, but at 00:32 there is literally a jump cut between question and answer, with an entirely different camera angle for the presented answer. Do you know what was said before and after, or is 5 seconds of selective BBC editing enough? What has given you this confidence?
If you listen to the answers and not the narrator, you wipl find they sound exactly like progressives in the West trying to use preventative approaches and actually describe rehabikitating people who have committed minor crimes. Like the one literally says they want to rehabilitate those who commit minor crimes. You have come away with the impression that it is some claim about Minority Report-esque precog crimes because the narrator told you this, but not the the interviewees.
This is actually a fairly rosy picture. As I have already explained, social networks also led to people being required to attend these facilities. It is true that radicalizatikn is more frequent within social networks, it is literally a method used by all competent organizers to grow their impact. That does not mean it is good or right for a state to use this to coerce or punish (though they are not prisons), of course. But one must have perspective. What did the US and its friends do to muslim-majority nations after 9/11? Surely building skills and competency is a much less bad thing to coerce than death and disposession.
Am I using the word in a wrong way ?
I don’t know. You didn’t answer my questions.
This answer is like a bad apple in the bunch, you know this is Lemmy and not Reddit, and I’m coming from dbzer0 not lemmy.world? I don’t know if it is my weak knowledge on English or you don’t realize, but this answer seems to me unnecessarily aggressive, and assuming that I’m pro amerikka or something.
If I don’t like how something looks, I’ll just say it, I don’t care if the AIPAC empire did worse. And I expected fellow muslims to look like: they’re described in Qur’an, Hadith, and my daily life in Algeria. I see the same atmosphere present in Afghanistan’s videos so I naturally assume it is the norm. I wish you supplied source instead of insults.
It is not unnecessarily aggressive, it is honest and challenging. When did I insult you? Challenging you to be consistent and forthcoming and to question what you have said is not an insult.
What sources would you want? You are perfectly capable of asking for sources if you are curious.
Regarding muslim dancing behavior, you may want to inform itself about the variety of Islamic practices in Central Asia. Afghanistan even internally pretty different practices that include Kazakhs and Turkmens, not just the freshly imported Salafism and the Talaban and so on.
Islam is not monolithic and treatments of the meanings in the Quran and how Hadith are considered vary. Surely you are aware of this, everyone knows the salient distinction made between Sunni and Shia and how they understand these things. I have already explained that Uyghurs have traditional coed dancing traditions as well as segregated. You can easily verify this if you would like. So, given that you were completely wrong about this fact, what do you think about how you described the video? Were you using strong information or guessing to look for a negative interpretation in line with the spirit of the narrator? Are you immune to propaganda? What is the right and honest way to handle this?
the fact that you think Taliban and Salafism are related is being uninformed. Taliban follows the Hanafi jurisprudence and the Maturidi school of theology, both are from the first three centuries of Islam, while salafis are kind of recent reformists who think nobody understood monotheism in the last millennia (the perfect example of western fabrication).
Also Taliban expelled both USSR and USA, both were colonialists to the people of Afghanistan. While ISIS only ever fought against Muslims (their first enemy was The Free Syrian Army which was actually close to ending the conflict in Syria years ago). Aren’t you now putting labels on people cuz they look similar ?
and I ask for source, doing simple search for “Uyghur weddings” brings me to this project: https://www.youtube.com/@uyghurmeshrepproject8697/videos , and I don’t see an example of coed dancing. In my view you see people dancing together and you think “yeah they’re treating them well, building some integration for the individual”, but I see only shame, humiliation and erasure of culture in that, almost like a scene from the manga that I mentioned. And now that I think about it, if China wasn’t so idiotically secretive and closed, my search would have been easier.
I don’t know.