Modlog: https://sh.itjust.works/modlog/25693?page=1&actionType=All&userId=21053985 , banned by @goat@sh.itjust.works
For context, goat started calling dbzer0 users tankies, and got into a few arguments.
More context:
It started (to my knowledge) with this comment, goat pinged db0 after he downvoted a comment
a note on the uyghurs (click to show
For the record, I believe that the Uyghurs are mistreated by the CCP, and are experiencing cultural erasure and Human Rights abuses, but there’s a lack of evidence that it’s a genocide specifically (especially since it seems to target the religion, rather than the ethnic group).
Goat banned IndustryStandard, leading to this thread: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/ leading to goat commenting this:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/21070262
He mentions this:
We constantly encounter bots, spammers, alt accounts, trolls, and doxxers, so I need to be vigilant by regularly checking who’s interfering and from where.
Which I find ironic, since there was some vote manipulation happening, which goat did nothing about (and could be behind), but I’ll get to that later.
After some more arguments, goat started calling dbzer0 users tankies, saying that letting tankie users engage on dbzer0 comms means other users are tankies:
He said that it’s different for LW (lemmy.world) and SJW (sh.itjust.works, not the other word). He then poster the “Tank Man” picture to !flippanarchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com, as he expected us to retaliate (being tankies, according to him). We did not, in fact, retaliate: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21089819
He also posted this in tankiejerk: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52268655, https://sh.itjust.works/comment/20733015.
He also may have done vote manipulation, and at the very least allowed it.
Take, for example, this comment: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21091723
Per lemvotes, it was downvoted by the following users:
The relevant ones here are:
- zedbite@lemmy.world,
- Alpacaaca@lemmy.cafe,
- chirichiri@sh.itjust.works.
If you look through other comments, they downvoted me and other users near-systemically, while upvoting comments made by goat.
For example, take a look at their (respective) lemvotes profile pages: https://lemvotes.org/user/zedbite@lemmy.world https://lemvotes.org/user/Alpacaaca@lemmy.cafe https://lemvotes.org/user/chirichiri@sh.itjust.works
They have all downvoted exclusively arguments against goat and others, and were made almost at the same time.
After a bit more arguing (I’m not posting the specific comments because it’s tedious, and they’re easy to see by scrolling through goat’s profile.) goat decided to ban all dbzer0 users from meanwhileongrad, I think this comment marks when he decided to do this, but I may be wrong.
note on the post that comment was in reply to
I think this reply (by unruffled) was taken out of context. Unruffled is absolutely not defending what’s happening to the Uyghurs, they’re saying that a lot of people have a double standard, where they will not hesitate to condemn the Uyghur genocide, but hesitate on the gaza one, especially when the gaza one is more severe and urgent. To quote them directly:
Yes, that’s exactly what I was saying but of course they misrepresented it. You know exactly what Americans are like. They couldn’t give a shit about the uyghurs, except as a way to China bash and feel superior. I also explicitly said later in the comments I agreed it was a genocide. They’re just doin’ the usual bad faith takes.
Feel free to quote me lol
Since this goat had been banned from dbzer0 for being hostile:
https://sh.itjust.works/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=63615
Is this the same goat who caused a stir a few months ago because they wouldn’t shut up about “reverse racism”?
Edit: I couldn’t find the reverse racism stuff, but I put together everything I did find https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52444570
Sounds like the guy running a nazi bar might in fact be fitting in with his clientele a bit too well.
goat started calling dbzer0 users tankies, saying that letting tankie users engage on dbzer0 comms means other users are tankies
Tankie used to mean something, damn it!
It did? Lol
yeah in 1950s CPGB meetings
In the 1950s, in the UK, “Tankie” was used as perjorative among members of the Communist Party of Great Britain, to describe those in the party who supported the Soviet invasion of Hungary.
The term has been so warped that now the people who coined it would also be considered Tankies by the liberals who love to throw the word around
I’m just trying to work out how long it’s been since it was it was used for someone to the left of the Clintons
I won’t stand for this slander
I mean not really, it was always used as a pejoritive, similar to Commie or Pinko, and it has not so subtly been moving to encompase more and more. Even at the start it was used to disreguard anyone who was too “Left wing” so this was an enevitable conclusion of the term
for additional context, I made a thread about this exchange on hexbear, documenting the issues with the culture on MoG. Specifically the use of ‘degenerate’ as a pejorative being a red flag.
TBH I didn’t think goat’s obvious bullshit needed or deserved a response.
Since db0 is math, and math, by definition and practice is both truth and fact, then we have MoL denying fact, as to be expected.
Dbzer0 is a math instance,
Lemmy.ca is a Californian instance,
slrpnk.net is a space themed one,
Lemmy.ml is an instance for the country of Mali.Guess I’m Ukrainian now.
Який поворот…
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If that comm is just banning people for being from dbzero maybe the dbzero admins should just block that comm
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Decisions like that are generally posed to the instance and weighed by its members. From what I’ve seen lately most of us prefer to set our own blocks as we individually decide, not real big on the “decisions made by others” approach.
But then again…I really only speak for myself lol. Which is consistent, I guess.
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There’s no travel restrictions in Xinjiang, you can just go there. Though you will have to show a pic of your passport to like 50% of cops, and answer the “where did you come from, where are you going, <insert random third, probing question>”. They’re still cops, but some can be genuinely helpful at times.
In any case, you’re probably going to find while there is nothing recognizable as a genocide, the actual issues and perspectives these people have once you break through the surface are too complex and specific to understand while limited by phone translate, let alone form a meaningful opinion.
But maybe you’ll fare better than me.
On top of that:
To be clear, if I haven’t been already, I 100% condemn China’s actions towards the Uyghurs. Is it technically a genocide? Depends what definition you’re working with, but to my mind it meets the definition.
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/52160152/21075559
Posting this here as !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works single mod seems quite ban happy lately, and resorting to debatable arguments
My community is also bigger lol
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huh, turns out having a vague, poorly defined label anyone could use to deride and write someone off as a pinko commie at a moment’s notice was a bad idea, who could’ve possibly seen this coming
Look we cannot listen to the people we call tankies, WE would never be called a tankie we are just left wing
nah, tankies suck.
people want to keep pretending like it means things it doesn’t, but that doesn’t change what it means.
it’s like how governments try to call everyone terrorists… terrorism still means something… it’s blowing up random civilians for political means.
it’s still bad to be a terrorist….okay tankie
okay terrorist
It’s not very effective
“Tankie” means the same thing “commie, pinko, and red” do, it’s a pejorative for Marxists and/or those that support existing socialist states. That’s why this thread is even a thing in the first place, the cryptofascists on MWoG are calling even dbzer0 users “tankies” for not just dogmatically accepting everything they believe about socialist states uncritically.
‘Tankie’ means ‘a person who is correct’.
‘tankie’ means online shill pretending to be a tankie
Haha.
In an overwhelming amount of cases, the word is used to derogatorily refer to somebody who is correct. The word is most often used when the speaker tries to lie to themselves and others that they support things like colonialism and genocides.
you are extremely incorrect, but you’re on hexbear so that’s par for the course
Notably, you have been unable to point out any evidence of me supposedly being incorrect. No precedents so far.
Have the L*dditors finally figured out goat is a cryptofash or do they still treat goat in good faith?
To the fascist replying to me and other lemmy.ml users, sorry for not responding, but we can’t see your racist, misogynist, dehumanizing rants because you were banned from lemmy.ml two months ago 💅
Went to the local modlog and good lord I can feel the spittle flying through the internet
Made the mistake of looking at their unremoved comments 🤮
I think @goat@sh.itjust.works has always been like this but it seems in the past he was able to hide it and make himself seem more genuine and less reactionary to others. Though now it seems the mask has fully come off. PTB for sure.
Giving moderators the ability to view who has voted on posts has been disastrous.
It’s a good tool for finding vote manipulation, but yeah, it has been abused.
