all in all, i disagree with nothing you’ve pointed out here. i think the issue becomes the assertion that varying forms of policing students mind and body is an appropriate and educationally productive way to engage the problem of student phone use. i think we’re way too willing to accept what amounts to violence towards children to keep them in line. we must build an education system that helps them put down the phone, makes them want to put down the phone. but as i pointed out, the issue here isn’t really the phone at all per se, not on its own. students that find themselves unable to detach from the phone but still desire to be educated are easily accommodated by giving them a place to put their phone during class with the teacher. when a student doesn’t want to engage with the class at a given time, this is not alleviated by taking away one object of concentration and substituting another (phone replaced by book/sleep/general dissociation). yet that is the result of the action. instead, we have to change society and education so that students actually desire to be educated, or can be motivated to be educated without explicit threat of force and violence, and can be allowed days off without being left behind.
when a student doesn’t want to engage with the class at a given time, this is not alleviated by taking away one object of concentration and substituting another (phone replaced by book/sleep/general dissociation). yet that is the result of the action.
Nah gimme a break. If a book is so easy to substitute for a phone, why don’t I see crowds of people hanging out all reading their books, showing each other their highlighted passages?
A phone isn’t “one object of concentration” it is 1 million objects.
instead, we have to change society and education so that students actually desire to be educated, or can be motivated to be educated without explicit threat of force and violence
Society is changed by changing society. This is what is means to change society. Collectively decide on a new norm and enforce it.
you are missing the entire point i’m making. the point is that if the student is not participating in education, they are not in that moment being educated. a phone is not a magic box that is inscrutable in its affect on human psychology and behavior. you can’t dismiss the reason that a student might want to escape schooling in a given moment just because the medium of choice is now the phone.
all in all, i disagree with nothing you’ve pointed out here. i think the issue becomes the assertion that varying forms of policing students mind and body is an appropriate and educationally productive way to engage the problem of student phone use. i think we’re way too willing to accept what amounts to violence towards children to keep them in line. we must build an education system that helps them put down the phone, makes them want to put down the phone. but as i pointed out, the issue here isn’t really the phone at all per se, not on its own. students that find themselves unable to detach from the phone but still desire to be educated are easily accommodated by giving them a place to put their phone during class with the teacher. when a student doesn’t want to engage with the class at a given time, this is not alleviated by taking away one object of concentration and substituting another (phone replaced by book/sleep/general dissociation). yet that is the result of the action. instead, we have to change society and education so that students actually desire to be educated, or can be motivated to be educated without explicit threat of force and violence, and can be allowed days off without being left behind.
Nah gimme a break. If a book is so easy to substitute for a phone, why don’t I see crowds of people hanging out all reading their books, showing each other their highlighted passages?
A phone isn’t “one object of concentration” it is 1 million objects.
Society is changed by changing society. This is what is means to change society. Collectively decide on a new norm and enforce it.
you are missing the entire point i’m making. the point is that if the student is not participating in education, they are not in that moment being educated. a phone is not a magic box that is inscrutable in its affect on human psychology and behavior. you can’t dismiss the reason that a student might want to escape schooling in a given moment just because the medium of choice is now the phone.